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4 hours ago, Treesh said:

I agree.

This situation is too fragile to mess up. We need to be certain with the next candidate if we're going to buy-out this large contract. I don't know any donors but I can imagine it would be silly to buy-out Archie and settle for a lateral move. Would make more sense to wait out the extra year and everyone saves money.

Perhaps it's also important to take a look into the landscape of open jobs in college basketball currently. Archie has to seek out employment if he's fired. He's not going to take Indiana State. But if there were more open jobs that he could fit, we would be off the leash perhaps. I'm not exactly sure how many head coaching jobs will be saved this year. COVID.. 

Archie to New Mexico,!...if his bro, or Lil Richard doesn’t get there first! They like to rehab mediocrity. Low pressure conference, easier to succeed w out constant squeeze.

[Trish 11,715]

9 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

I agree with the premise here but it's also on the coach to recognize those traits in recruits and to hold players accountable. What accountability has there been for poor shooting?

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Well we all thought Hunter would be a shooter coming in and he had that scary health situation. He's streaky now.

Demizi turned out to be a bust.

Leal looked promising but the other night looked really bad!

Rob is a head-case at this point.

It hasn't panned out, that's for sure. Not all recruits pan out for every coach. CTC had his many fair shares of having NON D1 players. At least we haven't seen that complete mis judgment from Archie. 

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24 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Players aren't responsible for getting better?! 

I wish I could blame poor grades on my instructors.  They just didn't provide me with the answers to all the quizzes, assignments, and tests!  They provided me with materials to learn that but that wasn't enough.  Fire them!!

This is not to take all the blame off the coaches.  They should absolutely be part of the process but let's quit with the "shifting blame from the players."  Armaan wanted and needed a better shot.  He worked his @$$ off during the pandemic downtime to make that happen.  Other players had opportunities to add to their game or develop a weakness.  What did they do?! 

I ******* hate when people do this ****.

It is on the players too. I know this very well. I've seen videos of many players taking time and getting up shots. The problem is if a guy has a bad shot are they being corrected or continuing to work on bad habits. I see a lot of bad habits that haven't been fixed. That's what I was referring too. There is a lack of coaching or players listening going on. I'm also tired of people blaming Marshall for doing his job so that's why I said what I did. 

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You can’t make a kid go to the gym to put in extra work


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You bench his @$$ and it may force his hand

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Keeping Archie next season would be a clear signal from the IU administration that they no longer are serious about basketball. It’d be as clear of a signal as you could get. That’s the bottom line.
 
Archie Miller has done nothing in his four seasons to deserve a fifth season. His results are unacceptable at a top tier program. His results would get him fired at a dozen or more programs throughout the country. If we keep him, that says all we need to know as fans.

It is really this simple imo. Agree 110%


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[rcbowla 7,169]

Well we all thought Hunter would be a shooter coming in and he had that scary health situation. He's streaky now.
Demizi turned out to be a bust.
Leal looked promising but the other night looked really bad!
Rob is a head-case at this point.
It hasn't panned out, that's for sure. Not all recruits pan out for every coach. CTC had his many fair shares of having NON D1 players. At least we haven't seen that complete mis judgment from Archie. 

I'm talking more about recruiting kids with a relentless work ethic which the guys you gave as examples have/had. That's part of recruiting is recognizing those types of things in kids. It doesn't always work out but you still take those things into consideration.

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[JaybobHoosier 11,929]

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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2 hours ago, brandct said:

That would be a real bad look for any incoming coach. That would also basically be admitting to the NCAA that your program broke rules and there could be consequences that come with that.

That’s what UCONN did to Kevin Ollie...got him on kids meeting with a trainer or something small in off season when they weren’t supposed to. Really just didn’t want to pay out / reported to NCAA and then went to court and won.

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3 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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It reminds me of what Mark Cuban said last week. Every IU fan thinks they are a better coach than whoever is the coach for the last 20 years. After every loss, he said he gets at least 20 emails saying I could have drawn up a better out-of-bounds play than the coach did. Taking it a step further here we are on a message board dissecting and criticizing every potential coach. Let's have some faith that Dolson will take the best available and they will be the one. 

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Andy Enfield was just named Pac 12 coach of the year. 

[HoosierFan1994 4,760]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

It reminds me of what Mark Cuban said last week. Every IU fan thinks they are a better coach than whoever is the coach for the last 20 years. After every loss, he said he gets at least 20 emails saying I could have drawn up a better out-of-bounds play than the coach did. Taking it a step further here we are on a message board dissecting and criticizing every potential coach. Let's have some faith that Dolson will take the best available and they will be the one. 

The emails are what makes our fan base look silly. That being said Indiana fans are fed up. Of the last 12 NCAA Tournaments, Indiana has only made 4....that's 33% (still more likely than this current team hitting a 3 pointer). I understand why fans won't accept a Dane Fife and another mid-major hire. However I do think whoever it is, they need to have a chance. You never know. I didn't think Howard would be very good at Michigan. Beard at Texas Tech. 

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4 minutes ago, JaybobHoosier said:

I’m just curious what the actual criteria is that people can agree on. We want to be significantly better than where we are now. Scott Drew would provide that year after year, but just has post season question marks. Thad Matta is a proven coach, but has health issues and has been out of the game for a little while.
Other potential candidates have some success, but not a high level of it so are we getting another Archie? This is an extremely important higher because it could literal alter the course of this program for a long, long time.
To me, the only perfect candidates are more fantasy than reality: Stevens, Donovan, Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and a few others. Not getting them means we settle in some areas or hope a hot commodity can improve on being an up and comer.
This isn’t towards anyone other than I just feel like the candidates we can get we will have to settle in certain areas, and some people with be unhappy unless it’s a select few coaches.
I totally get hesitancy, but just hope that whoever we hire gets a chance and a fanbase that will back them for the first 2-3 years!


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I’m really starting to like Scott Drew. After not watching IU even play in a tournament game since 2016, I’m a lot less worried about Drew’s postseason question marks than I was before. I think he can get us to the tournament almost every year. He’s made 8 of the last 12 tournaments. (Would’ve been 9 of the last 13 if it was canceled last year). In the four seasons he didn’t make the tournament, he won the NIT once, and was the runner up another year. He’s had a winning record in his conference 9 of the last 13 seasons. Four sweet 16s and two elite 8s during that period. And he’s doing it at a non-basketball school. If he can turn Baylor into a serious program I’d like to see what he could do with IU. 
 

He’s not perfect, but I think he’d be a very good hire. I hope we can get him. 

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Andy Enfield was just named Pac 12 coach of the year. 

Scott Drew and Dennis Gates were named coach of the year as well. 

 

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Just now, Treesh said:

Scott Drew and Dennis Gates were named coach of the year as well. 

 

So your saying we have choices or options

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m really starting to like Scott Drew. After not watching IU even play in a tournament game since 2016, I’m a lot less worried about Drew’s postseason question marks than I was before. I think he can get us to the tournament almost every year. He’s made 8 of the last 12 tournaments. (Would’ve been 9 of the last 13 if it was canceled last year). In the four seasons he didn’t make the tournament, he won the NIT once, and was the runner up another year. He’s had a winning record in his conference 9 of the last 13 seasons. Four sweet 16s and two elite 8s during that period. And he’s doing it at a non-basketball school. If he can turn Baylor into a serious program I’d like to see what he could do with IU. 
 

He’s not perfect, but I think he’d be a very good hire. I hope we can get him. 

Scott has a really good program there. A new basketball arena coming. His best recruiting class in 14 years (which worries me) is coming next year.

Why would he leave that for a train wreck? A couple extra dollars? He pays no income tax in Texas. 

EDIT: I have Baylor losing in the Sweet 16 this year. Never trust Baylor in March! 

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I went to Assembly Hall on the day Indiana introduced Archie. It was spring break and I just wanted to head up to Bloomington. I'll never forget the players walking out of the tunnel for his press conference. They looked like zombies. Months later I went to the infamous Indiana State game. The players again just looked like zombies on the bench. I don't get it. These guys just don't look like they are interested in playing. I've never really seen heart from this team. Is that all on Archie or the players?  

[Trish 11,715]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

So your saying we have choices or options

Archie Miller won coach of the year before we hired him. 

That hasn't turned out so well. :( 

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Just now, Treesh said:

Archie Miller won coach of the year before we hired him. 

That hasn't turned out so well. :( 

It was just a bad fit. His personality and our fans just don't go together. We wanted someone opposite of Crean personality-wise, but really just need someone in the middle of those two. 

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Just now, Chris007 said:

It was just a bad fit. His personality and our fans just don't go together. We wanted someone opposite of Crean personality-wise, but really just need someone in the middle of those two. 

That marks Mussleman off our list that's for sure LOL!

 

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Just now, Treesh said:

That marks Mussleman off our list that's for sure LOL!

 

I have enjoyed the videos I've watched of him. As long as he doesn't try to be AD and coach like Crean did I'm OK with him. Especially if brings Keith Smart on staff with him.