Negativity Thread

[mdn82]

Shoulders and Glass is a good start

Well, this about as good of news as you could hope for if you are a fan of the program imo.


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[mamasa]

Can anyone w/ a HTO subscription give a summary of the "Don't Let The Door Hit You In The Butt On The Way Out, Pat" article?

[NashvilleHoosier]

For someone who knows nothing about Pat Shoulders, what's the scoop? Why is this good specifically for the basketball program? (not questioning it, I just truly have no idea)

[southernindianahoosier2]

Shoulders and Glass is a good start

Anyone else considered toxic in the athletic department and BOT that we should know about?

 

Sounds like:

Fred Gone by end of May

Shoulders gone soon

McRobbie gone by end of 2021

 

 

 

 

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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Anyone else considered toxic in the athletic department and BOT that we should know about?

 

Sounds like:

Fred Gone by end of May

Shoulders gone soon

McRobbie gone by end of 2021

 

 

 

 

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If there is they stay behind the scenes better than these 3

[southernindianahoosier2]

If there is they stay behind the scenes better than these 3

Any of their departures the product of boosters applying pressure?


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[Chris007]

Just now, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Any of their departures the product of boosters applying pressure?


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I don't think so

[mdn82]

For someone who knows nothing about Pat Shoulders, what's the scoop? Why is this good specifically for the basketball program? (not questioning it, I just truly have no idea)

Most vocal voice on the board the last 20 years for the direction of this University’s money programs. Good friend of Glass prior to the hire and probably his staunchest supporter during his term. If you are a friend of his it makes no difference how you perform at your job as long as you can show you are still making money. Only once have I heard that man speak up about the wins and losses of our program and it was in 2019. He followed that up with they got the right man for the job. Tiny has his separate issues beyond that, but yeah. If you want to look at people directly responsible for the last 20 years he is in top 5 for sure.


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[mamasa]

1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

Most vocal voice on the board the last 20 years for the direction of this University’s money programs. Good friend of Glass prior to the hire and probably his staunchest supporter during his term. If you are a friend of his it makes no difference how you perform at your job as long as you can show you are still making money. Only once have I heard that man speak up about the wins and losses of our program and it was in 2019. He followed that up with they got the right man for the job. Tiny has his separate issues beyond that, but yeah. If you want to look at people directly responsible for the last 20 years he is in top 5 for sure.


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Well said!  

[johnsoniu]

21 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

. Tiny has his separate issues beyond that, but yeah. If you want to look at people directly responsible for the last 20 years he is in top 5 for sure.


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Ding dong the witch is dead :)

[mamasa]

2 minutes ago, johnsoniu said:

Ding dong the witch is dead :)

Not sure I've ever heard the story of the issues between you two....?

[johnsoniu]

Not sure I've ever heard the story of the issues between you two....?

Been a vocal critic of him for a while. Let’s just say we’ve had some unpleasant exchanges at a few BoT meetings, which may or may not involve my removal from said meetings lol


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[mdn82]

Been a vocal critic of him for a while. Let’s just say we’ve had some unpleasant exchanges at a few BoT meetings, which may or may not involve my removal from said meetings lol


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Always wondered if you tried using his handle bars as roach clips or something.


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[NOLA Hoosier]

Anyone read this yet?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-basketball/news/indiana-should-give-archie-miller-time-not-make-a-beeline-for-his-successor/9q6f8nd5y96r13ynqi09kifvf

[rcbowla]

Anyone read this yet?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/ncaa-basketball/news/indiana-should-give-archie-miller-time-not-make-a-beeline-for-his-successor/9q6f8nd5y96r13ynqi09kifvf

And for every one story like Wright's there's probably 10 that go the exact opposite direction as his.

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[rcbowla]

I admittedly didn't watch Villanova in his first few years but I'd like to talk to someone that did. Did they see progress in terms of execution and development at least? We haven't seen any of it here so far.

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[southernindianahoosier2]

1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

I admittedly didn't watch Villanova in his first few years but I'd like to talk to someone that did. Did they see progress in terms of execution and development at least? We haven't seen any of it here so far.

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There was an unbelievable article on him in GQ a few years ago. Really details on how he made a FF, then the wheels came off, and then he had to pretty much reinvent the way he coached/looked at thing,/approached recruiting, leading to him winning 2 national championships... The coach Wright that went to the first final four and the coach that won the national titles were basically two different coaches, from his own perspective that is. 

[Honkyman]

Based on what we've seen, Archie Miller is no Jay Wright or John Beilein.

[IUc2016]

Just now, Honkyman said:

Based on what we've seen, Archie Miller is no Jay Wright or John Beilein.

you really missed the point of the article. guess you didn't read it, huh?

[Honkyman]

I did read the article. I didn't miss the point. I disagree that there is a valid comparison between 
Archie Miller and the other two coaches who had demonstrated progress in the first three years that has not been demonstrated at Indiana. In fact, the Indiana program is no better today than it was 3 years ago--some have argued it is worse off.