Negativity Thread

[Josh]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

But to hope we don't win another game?  That's loving IU basketball?  

Everybody was on the tank train in Crean's last year.  And they all loved IU basketball. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Everybody was on the tank train in Crean's last year.  And they all loved IU basketball. 

No, not everybody and to make that statement is a gross exaggeration.  I wanted him gone as much as most people but never to the point I would root against one of our teams.

[NOLA Hoosier]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

No, not everybody and to make that statement is a gross exaggeration.  I wanted him gone as much as most people but never to the point I would root against one of our teams.

I also have never and will never root against an Indiana team, regardless of who I think should or shouldn't be the coach. Anyone who does can go march with the opportunistic ******** at Crimson Quarry into the land of I Don't Give a ****.

[HoosierAloha]

We live in the world of “one upness” so..


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[Stuhoo]

2 hours ago, Josh said:

It feels like we need good Devonte to beat good teams.  Nobody else has that in them on this team.  Then next year we have no Devontes.  I'm worried about next year (and all moving forward) until we can make a change in leadership.  At this point I'm on the tank train.  Good win, I hope we don't see any others.

Yeah; we can’t beat good teams without DeVonte playing well, like when we beat MSU this year and DeVonte had two points and three turnovers. Or when we beat UConn and DeVonte had six points on 2-10 shooting.

Or are you trying to say that we are a far more dangerous team when our current best scorer plays really really well? Cause that’s certainly true.

 

[coonhounds]

This is your brain.

THIS is your brain with unrealistic expectations. 

This your brain on drugs

 

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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Yeah; we can’t beat good teams without DeVonte playing well, like when we beat MSU this year and DeVonte had two points and three turnovers. Or when we beat UConn and DeVonte had six points on 2-10 shooting.
Or are you trying to say that we are a far more dangerous team when our current best scorer plays really really well? Cause that’s certainly true.
 

Yea... you really can’t lump UConn into the group of “good” teams. They are 13-11 and 4-7 in the AAC for a reason.


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[MikeRoberts]

Maybe it was my imagination but I don’t think TJD and Brunk played good many minutes together against Iowa, that’s a good thing

 

While Green hit his shots, he also didn’t dribble the air out of the ball which was a good thing.

 

Negatively, our defense was suspect and took a best of performance from deep to out gun them.

 

 

 

 

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[MoyeNeeded]

6 hours ago, Josh said:

It feels like we need good Devonte to beat good teams.  Nobody else has that in them on this team.  Then next year we have no Devontes.  I'm worried about next year (and all moving forward) until we can make a change in leadership.  At this point I'm on the tank train.  Good win, I hope we don't see any others.

 

[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

Negatively, our defense was suspect and took a best of performance from deep to out gun them.

 

 

 

 

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Iowa came in averaging 1.11 points per possession -- best in the conference -- and were held to 1.00 points per possession.  

[MikeRoberts]

Iowa came in averaging 1.11 points per possession -- best in the conference -- and were held to 1.00 points per possession.  

Never understood why anyone looks at this. We gave up 77 points which is what Iowa is averaging in conference play. They have been winning scoring 77 except for when they play another team that is making every shot they chuck


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[Josh]

All my posts keep getting deleted???

[BGleas]

I thought it was pretty clear watching the Iowa game that while Green going off certainly was a huge aspect, this game was about more than just that. The team played well as a whole. The energy and passion was there. TJD was great, Smith played fantastic defense on Wieskamp. Thompson gave great energy and minutes. 

The team played with much improved pace, and we had 4 different guys hit a 3, along with both Phinisee and Green hitting multiple 3’s. 

I also think Green’s performance was much more than just getting hot. I’m going with eye test here, so not sure what the actual stats hear out, but it felt to me like Phinisee and Green played much more together. It felt like down the stretch last season when Phinisee got healthy and Green thrived playing off the ball with Phinisee. 

Pin the Iowa game, more of Green’s shots were catch/shoot vs, off the dribble. Green looked to get the ball in Phinisee’s hands once he didn’t have a shot, and Green was pounding the ball much, much less. Green also looked almost immediately to get the ball to Phinisee if a fast break wasn’t there. 

I don’t know if this was a purposeful thing, but it felt more like the end of last season to me when those two played so well together. I hope it continues down the stretch. 

[MikeRoberts]

I thought it was pretty clear watching the Iowa game that while Green going off certainly was a huge aspect, this game was about more than just that. The team played well as a whole. The energy and passion was there. TJD was great, Smith played fantastic defense on Wieskamp. Thompson gave great energy and minutes. 
The team played with much improved pace, and we had 4 different guys hit a 3, along with both Phinisee and Green hitting multiple 3’s. 
I also think Green’s performance was much more than just getting hot. I’m going with eye test here, so not sure what the actual stats hear out, but it felt to me like Phinisee and Green played much more together. It felt like down the stretch last season when Phinisee got healthy and Green thrived playing off the ball with Phinisee. 
Pin the Iowa game, more of Green’s shots were catch/shoot vs, off the dribble. Green looked to get the ball in Phinisee’s hands once he didn’t have a shot, and Green was pounding the ball much, much less. Green also looked almost immediately to get the ball to Phinisee if a fast break wasn’t there. 
I don’t know if this was a purposeful thing, but it felt more like the end of last season to me when those two played so well together. I hope it continues down the stretch. 

100% regarding Green. He took his shots but they were not coming from him dribbling around for 20 seconds. He moved the ball and got it back for open shots


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[Alford Bailey]

5 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I thought it was pretty clear watching the Iowa game that while Green going off certainly was a huge aspect, this game was about more than just that. The team played well as a whole. The energy and passion was there. TJD was great, Smith played fantastic defense on Wieskamp. Thompson gave great energy and minutes. 

The team played with much improved pace, and we had 4 different guys hit a 3, along with both Phinisee and Green hitting multiple 3’s. 

I also think Green’s performance was much more than just getting hot. I’m going with eye test here, so not sure what the actual stats hear out, but it felt to me like Phinisee and Green played much more together. It felt like down the stretch last season when Phinisee got healthy and Green thrived playing off the ball with Phinisee. 

Pin the Iowa game, more of Green’s shots were catch/shoot vs, off the dribble. Green looked to get the ball in Phinisee’s hands once he didn’t have a shot, and Green was pounding the ball much, much less. Green also looked almost immediately to get the ball to Phinisee if a fast break wasn’t there. 

I don’t know if this was a purposeful thing, but it felt more like the end of last season to me when those two played so well together. I hope it continues down the stretch. 

Do we win that game if Green doesnt score 27? Felt to me like his stretch of 4 threes was the difference.

[BGleas]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

100% regarding Green. He took his shots but they were not coming from him dribbling around for 20 seconds. He moved the ball and got it back for open shots


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I’m keeping my fingers crossed that it was a purposeful thing we’ll see going forward. IU has a chance to be a much better and more efficient team if Green is just knocking down open shots in rhythm, as opposed to handling the ball a ton and being a decision maker. 

To me it just felt like, at least in that one game, that Green was really looking to get rid of the ball if he wasn’t open immediately. I like that Devonte for this team. 

[BGleas]

7 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Do we win that game if Green doesnt score 27? Felt to me like his stretch of 4 threes was the difference.

Maybe, maybe not. Do win if he hits 2 of those 4? Do we get offensive rebound put backs if some of Green’s 3’s don’t drop? Who knows. 

My larger point is that Green’s shots came differently in this game. For the most part, It wasn’t dribbling for 12 seconds and then jacking up a step back. I don’t expect him to go 7-for-11 from 3 again, but I do hope he plays well if he continues to play off the ball and get his shots in rhythm. 

I expect him to play well if he doesn’t dribble much, looks to get the ball to Phinisee, and moves the ball crisply if he’s not open.

[Alford Bailey]

2 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Maybe, maybe not. Do win if he hits 2 of those 4? Do we get offensive rebound put backs if some of Green’s 3’s don’t drop? Who knows. 

My larger point is that Green’s shots came differently in this game. For the most part, It wasn’t dribbling for 12 seconds and then jacking up a step back. I don’t expect him to go 7-for-11 from 3 again, but I do hope he plays well if he continues to play off the ball and get his shots in rhythm. 

I expect him to play well if he doesn’t dribble much, looks to get the ball to Phinisee, and moves the ball crisply if he’s not open. 

That was for the most part good Green

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

That was for the most part good Green

I think there’s a bigger story there, if it continues. His shots vs. Iowa were different than the FSU game. Against FSU he just got hot. He threw up some crazy shots that went in. IMO against Iowa, while he certainly was hot and I don’t expect him to go 7-for-11 from 3 again, his shots were much better shots. 

He was dribbling much, much less, moving the ball much, much more, and taking open, in rhythm 3’s. 

I guess if what I was seeing was real and continues, the result should be the consistency that’s been lacking. Taking FSU type of shots results in one good game, 4 bad games, an ok, game, another bad, and then a random good. 

Playing like he did Thursday, off the ballcand less dribbling with more spot-up 3’s, will result in a much more consistent Green. Not 7-for-11 again, but maybe more 3-for-5’s from 3 with far fewer bad shots and turnovers. 

Or, maybe Sunday he goes back to pounding the ball, bad shots and bad turnovers. I don’t know, but what I saw Thursday was different, I hope it continues. 

[Adillac]

I know this is a negativity thread...but I honestly think next years team will be better. The young trio of Hunter, Race, TJD could be pretty compelling on the floor together... Brunk and Smith for depth...Geronimo for energy..new blood at guard- Leal/Galloway. Experience with Rob, Al, Franklin...I know our guards have been pitiful since forever...but all they have to be is decent..ya never know..