Fred Glass Retiring

[Hovadipo]

9 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Doesn’t really change anything. How much voice will he have? Does he even know what we need? And why AT? Allen should have been the one and only guy on that committee with a voice for football and there isn’t an excuse he’s not on there. And you don’t have to have Archie on there, but holy crap the amount of ex players you have to pick from and you pick zero? That’s a 100% and complete failure of the university.


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I don’t disagree about basketball, but AT is football’s direct line to the admin so I’m not sure how you can question him knowing what football needs. It’s his entire job. 

[LamarCheeks]

2 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I don’t disagree about basketball, but AT is football’s direct line to the admin so I’m not sure how you can question him knowing what football needs. It’s his entire job. 

Plus, he's the best to ever put on an IU football uniform. I would hope that would carry at least a little bit of weight ... 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I don’t disagree about basketball, but AT is football’s direct line to the admin so I’m not sure how you can question him knowing what football needs. It’s his entire job. 

And Tom Allen is the man over the entire program that’s gotten it to where it is.


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[Hovadipo]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

And Tom Allen is the man over the entire program that’s gotten it to where it is.


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...who talks to AT every week if not every day about different aspects of the state of the program. You can argue this as much as you want, you won’t get far. 

[AKHoosier]

It just seems like the university cares more about making everyone happy rather than committing to winning in the two big revenue sports. That's why they're giving everyone a seat at the table.

[MikeRoberts]

It just seems like the university cares more about making everyone happy rather than committing to winning in the two big revenue sports. That's why they're giving everyone a seat at the table.

I don’t think it’s a matter of making everyone happy, they are firmly focused on compliance and they don’t have much to worry about with the non-football/non-basketball sports.


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[Old Friend]

6 hours ago, AKHoosier said:

It just seems like the university cares more about making everyone happy rather than committing to winning in the two big revenue sports. That's why they're giving everyone a seat at the table.

This  ^^^

I have said this many times :  Indiana University went a different direction when they fired Bob Knight.  Before then when people like Ralph Floyd and John Ryan stepped down.  To the academes of the world, Indiana University shall be defined by their schools and not by their sports teams.  Myles Brand was an academe.  Michael McRobbie is an academe.   Mitch Daniels is a business man first.  A lawyer second.  An academic proponent yes, but he also understands and subscribes to the absolute truth that sports and sports programs are the world's best window into their universities.  Michael McRobbie does not.  Myles Brand did not.

I know as a 100% fact that Rick Pitino pro-actively called Indiana twice regarding the basketball job, requesting to be interviewed both times.  Once in 2000 when Knight was fired and once in 2006 when Mike Davis stepped down.  Both times, he was told no thank you, and the reason given was Indiana didn't want to hire someone else bigger than the program and didn't want basketball to be the face of Indiana University.  That's fact and as solid a source on my end as there is.  But...here's the good news.

Cindy Simon-Skjodt is on the committee.  Her name is on the basketball arena.  Anyone think she doesn't want a top shelf AD?

Anthony Thompson is as invested as any former player in football and his legacy at Indiana only improves with program success.  Anyone think he doesn't want a top shelf AD?

Teri Moren has it rolling with her program.  Men's basketball may not be represented (and I won't speculate; but agree with everyone upset that it's not), but basketball is.  Anyone think she doesn't want a top shelf AD?

Todd Yeagley is on the committee.  Anyone think he doesn't want a top shelf AD?

Kurt Zorn and Mattie White scare me, and the committee is chaired by Carrie Docherty, who's the associate dean of the school for public health - an academe - scares me to death.  But good athletic voices will be heard.  It does seem ridiculous that the top 2 revenue sports aren't represented, but I do have a little faith they'll get it right.

My man is Chris Reynolds.     https://bradleybraves.com/staff-directory/chris-reynolds/203

[MikeRoberts]

6 hours ago, Old Friend said:

This  ^^^
I have said this many times :  Indiana University went a different direction when they fired Bob Knight.  Before then when people like Ralph Floyd and John Ryan stepped down.  To the academes of the world, Indiana University shall be defined by their schools and not by their sports teams.  Myles Brand was an academe.  Michael McRobbie is an academe. Mitch Daniels is a business man first.  A lawyer second.  An academic proponent yes, but he also understands and subscribes to the absolute truth that sports and sports programs are the world's best window into their universities.  Michael McRobbie does not.  Myles Brand did not.
I know as a 100% fact that Rick Pitino pro-actively called Indiana twice regarding the basketball job, requesting to be interviewed both times.  Once in 2000 when Knight was fired and once in 2006 when Mike Davis stepped down.  Both times, he was told no thank you, and the reason given was Indiana didn't want to hire someone else bigger than the program and didn't want basketball to be the face of Indiana University.  That's fact and as solid a source on my end as there is.  But...here's the good news.
Cindy Simon-Skjodt is on the committee.  Her name is on the basketball arena.  Anyone think she doesn't want a top shelf AD?
Anthony Thompson is as invested as any former player in football and his legacy at Indiana only improves with program success.  Anyone think he doesn't want a top shelf AD?
Teri Moren has it rolling with her program.  Men's basketball may not be represented (and I won't speculate; but agree with everyone upset that it's not), but basketball is.  Anyone think she doesn't want a top shelf AD?
Todd Yeagley is on the committee.  Anyone think he doesn't want a top shelf AD?
Kurt Zorn and Mattie White scare me, and the committee is chaired by Carrie Docherty, who's the associate dean of the school for public health - an academe - scares me to death.  But good athletic voices will be heard.  It does seem ridiculous that the top 2 revenue sports aren't represented, but I do have a little faith they'll get it right.
My man is Chris Reynolds.     https://bradleybraves.com/staff-directory/chris-reynolds/203

My man is Chris Reynolds too because I know he would never do anything to hurt the basketball program.

So, I agree with what you typed but I do know as a fact that many of those people you listed want Dolson.

So what in your opinion/experience does that mean for Football and Basketball because those non money making coaches are pulling for him


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[Old Friend]

29 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

My man is Chris Reynolds too because I know he would never do anything to hurt the basketball program.

So, I agree with what you typed but I do know as a fact that many of those people you listed want Dolson.

So what in your opinion/experience does that mean for Football and Basketball because those non money making coaches are pulling for him


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That part I didn't know.  I would imagine the revenue sports were left off for a reason.  Maybe Glass' "one team" BS is going to carry over?  It would be just like Indiana to do that.  That said, I know Scott.  He is a good man and an IU guy. He was a student manager when IU won the title in 1987, so I assume he gets it as much as anyone.  He has also been an admin in the men's basketball program, so I think he understands that program and it's magnitude.  Whether or not he is qualified to do the necessary contract negotiations is another question.  I know him to be a good fund raiser, a good relationships guy, and someone alums could trust has their university's best interests at heart.  I happen to think Reynolds is all of the things Dolson is and more qualified, but I would guess the non-revenue coaches see him (Dolson) as one of them.   

An ace in the hole for me is Cindy Simon-Skjodt.   $45 million buys you some credential; and with her name on the building, I'd think she would want a former player.  I don't know that to be true, but it would make sense to me.

[JSHoosier]

I'd love to see Reynolds get it but I just don't see that happening.

[MikeRoberts]

That part I didn't know.  I would imagine the revenue sports were left off for a reason.  Maybe Glass' "one team" BS is going to carry over?  It would be just like Indiana to do that.  That said, I know Scott.  He is a good man and an IU guy. He was a student manager when IU won the title in 1987, so I assume he gets it as much as anyone.  He has also been an admin in the men's basketball program, so I think he understands that program and it's magnitude.  Whether or not he is qualified to do the necessary contract negotiations is another question.  I know him to be a good fund raiser, a good relationships guy, and someone alums could trust has their university's best interests at heart.  I happen to think Reynolds is all of the things Dolson is and more qualified, but I would guess the non-revenue coaches see him (Dolson) as one of them.   
An ace in the hole for me is Cindy Simon-Skjodt.   $45 million buys you some credential; and with her name on the building, I'd think she would want a former player.  I don't know that to be true, but it would make sense to me.

Something else I heard from this coach/committee person in a different conversation that you reminded me of when reading your comments about Pitino:

You likely know this but I didn’t, Knight, not only was “bigger than the athletic department/the school” from the outside perspective but also in his own mind too.

He was verbally abusive to others in the athletic department and lived by his own rules which were essentially none. The AD would call an all coaches meeting and he would be the only one missing.

So while I hate the fact that the school and administrators went sooooo far in the opposite direction and in doing so kind of destroyed the basketball program, I do see how they felt they had dealt with this before and didn’t want to repeat it again with the likes of Pitino


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[coonhounds]

Something else I heard from this coach/committee person in a different conversation that you reminded me of when reading your comments about Pitino:

You likely know this but I didn’t, Knight, not only was “bigger than the athletic department/the school” from the outside perspective but also in his own mind too.

He was verbally abusive to others in the athletic department and lived by his own rules which were essentially none. The AD would call an all coaches meeting and he would be the only one missing.

So while I hate the fact that the school and administrators went sooooo far in the opposite direction and in doing so kind of destroyed the basketball program, I do see how they felt they had dealt with this before and didn’t want to repeat it again with the likes of Pitino


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The general didn't take orders from anyone at iu? Crazy talk lol. Just kidding

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[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Something else I heard from this coach/committee person in a different conversation that you reminded me of when reading your comments about Pitino:

You likely know this but I didn’t, Knight, not only was “bigger than the athletic department/the school” from the outside perspective but also in his own mind too.

He was verbally abusive to others in the athletic department and lived by his own rules which were essentially none. The AD would call an all coaches meeting and he would be the only one missing.

So while I hate the fact that the school and administrators went sooooo far in the opposite direction and in doing so kind of destroyed the basketball program, I do see how they felt they had dealt with this before and didn’t want to repeat it again with the likes of Pitino


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Yep.  All of that's true.  Knight's favorite song has always been "My Way," by Frank Sinatra.  He could do it his way while he was winning, and he had friends "inside."  Dr. Ryan and Knight were close, and Ralph Floyd was about as ornery as Knight was.  The downfall for Knight came when coaches like Doc Counsilman and Jerry Yeagley began to discuss and plan their retirements.  The old guard was stepping down or gone, replaced by Tom Ehrlich (who actually was good for Knight for a while), Myles Brand, Clarence Doninger, etc. Knight's world changed quickly, and he was no longer able to do what he always had.  Never one to adopt the herding limits of others, he played by his own rules and I think always believed he was right.   The reasons why IU is where it is are numerous and this is most definitely one of them.

[southernindianahoosier2]

This basketball season will be Fred’s parting gift! Good riddance.

His legacy may be 8 missed tournaments in 12 years. He is retiring thinking gems a hero. He’s a villain in my eyes.


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[Iugradman]

Ok, so I will vent in here instead of the game thread. Allen is a terrible in game coach. Fred Glass knows nothing about sports and was in no position to make this hire without conducting a thorough search. And don’t get me started on Archie Miller.

[MoyeNeeded]

2 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

Ok, so I will vent in here instead of the game thread. Allen is a terrible in game coach. Fred Glass knows nothing about sports and was in no position to make this hire without conducting a thorough search. And don’t get me started on Archie Miller.

So when will you be retiring?

[southernindianahoosier2]

Ok, so I will vent in here instead of the game thread. Allen is a terrible in game coach. Fred Glass knows nothing about sports and was in no position to make this hire without conducting a thorough search. And don’t get me started on Archie Miller.

While I agree with you on Fred Glass, I thought Allen did an okay job putting the team in a position to win. We make the PaT or field goal and it’s a different ball game.


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[HoosierAloha]

Ok, so I will vent in here instead of the game thread. Allen is a terrible in game coach. Fred Glass knows nothing about sports and was in no position to make this hire without conducting a thorough search. And don’t get me started on Archie Miller.

That terrible in game coach just had the best season FOR IU since forever. I’m sure that’s tearing you up.


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[Iugradman]

19 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

While I agree with you on Fred Glass, I thought Allen did an okay job putting the team in a position to win. We make the PaT or field goal and it’s a different ball game.


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Allen blew a 13 point fourth quarter lead. Epic choke job. First time this season an FBS school lost when holding such a lead with under five minutes left in the game.

[southernindianahoosier2]

Allen blew a 13 point fourth quarter lead. Epic choke job. First time this season an FBS school lost when holding such a lead with under five minutes left in the game.

He did. If Allen goes 5-7 next year then Fred Glass was sold fools gold with his 7 year extension of him. I’m still bullish on IUFB. I’m not really a CFB fan so maybe I’m just uninformed. TBD


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