Evan Fitzner to IU

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10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Davis is a 6'10" low post player.....and you are worried about his ability to knock down a perimeter shot?

Fact:  last season he was second on the time in scoring per minute on played and second in rebounds per minute played.

 

 

Because he will clog a lot of things up for Romeo and Morgan if he can't shoot outside of a foot. Fitzner is 6'10 as well. 

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It's who you surround Romeo and Juwan with. 

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Glad we brought Fitzner in to shoot and be another big option. We could see him play alongside Morgan while Davis, if healthy, can run with the second team and be a force in the post. We're adding legit options to upgrade the team. I'm good with that.

Davis isn't going to be asked to carry this team. Fitzner won't be asked to carry this team. Romeo and Morgan will carry this team. Fitzner and Davis are both good role players that can contribute, if healthy.


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Fitzner seems like a good counter to Davis, gives us options. If Davis is healthy, he is a huge asset, no question unless you are strangely biased


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Davis is a 6'10" low post player.....and you are worried about his ability to knock down a perimeter shot?
Fact:  last season he was second on the time in scoring per minute on played and second in rebounds per minute played.
 
 

Yeah that's fine. But the problem was he didn't spend enough on the floor and it was early in the season when were struggling to find that 2nd and 3rd scorer.

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Yeah that's fine. But the problem was he didn't spend enough on the floor and it was early in the season when were struggling to find that 2nd and 3rd scorer.

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Why is it a problem? He averaged 10 a game and even more before he started to fade due to his injury. That’s pretty good, also taking into consideration he was the most efficient scorer we had


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4 hours ago, btownqb said:

Davis isn't a good defender. He has no jump shot. He doesn't rebound overally well. He seems like at least an average passer. I am worried about him playing next to Romeo and Morgan.. I like Fitzner a lot more in that aspect. Moving goal posts is laughable. If Morgan becomes a much more of a knock down shooter, then yeah.. he might be able to give us more mins. But I don't see many teams that play two big guys consistently that don't stretch the defense. And again.. be struggles big time defensively. His advanced analytics... two things are far as those are concerned he only played against basically the non conf... obviously that portion is going to be much weaker than the BIG will.be, and multiple times he just didn't play much at all because he was so ineffective, so basically... he plays in the games where he can help us. I'm good with that. Will he be though?

Seriously.    You truly need to step back and look at what you just wrote.   Then think about what you just wrote.  Davis has played consistently better competition by accident than Fitzner ever has.  Romeo Langford and Juwon Morgan will be Martians to Fitzner for a while.   He is an insurance policy; not a major minutes guy.  We're not getting Max Bielfelt, here.  We're getting a guy from the West Coast Conference.  He played Gonzaga and...nobody.  He has some skills, but writing what you did and how you did looks like you believe he's walking in here to play major minutes and contribute stats.   The guy averaged 5 PPG playing 15 minutes a game against a schedule which included exactly 3 games against teams from BCS conferences.  Yet you like him better than DeRon Davis, who had his best game against a top 5 team with 2 lottery pick front court players.   Evan Fitzner can shoot.  We do not need DeRon Davis to shoot.   We need him to be a tough, athletic big guy.

You've claimed he isn't a good rebounder, but he played 18.8 MPG and averaged 4.3 RPG.  Extrapolate that into 40 minutes, and it's 9.1 RPG.  I'll take that all day.   He also averaged 1.5 blocks and 1 steal/game in his 18 minutes.  Fitzner over 40 MPG averaged 7.2 RPG; and was 0.2 blocks and 0.2 steals/game.   

Other than the ability to shoot (which Tim Priller could also do, by the way....might give you some perspective), Fitzner provides nothing at any level better than Davis does.   (All of this is assuming Davis is healthy, and if he's not, he nor any player can produce)  Not all systems need big men to "stretch the defense."   Indiana has a lightning quick point guard, an NBA caliber 2 guard, the best back to the basket/versatile big man in the conference in Morgan, and plenty of options in both front and back court.  God, how I hope we don't need our bigs to step out and make 3's in order to contend or compete nationally.  If we do, we're already in trouble.  Give me a junior who's 6'10" 250 with a chip on his shoulder over a Euro style west coast big man any time in the Big Ten.

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3 hours ago, MoyeNeeded said:

Yeah that's fine. But the problem was he didn't spend enough on the floor and it was early in the season when were struggling to find that 2nd and 3rd scorer.

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And he's likely going to spend those kinds of minutes on the floor again even if he's healthy.....and when he was on the floor, he was that 2nd or 3rd scorer.  There were match ups and foul trouble that forced him out of the game.  That isn't going to change.  

I'm just trying to figure out why people are so down on a guy who gives you 10 and 4 in 18 minutes/game.  

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6 hours ago, Old Friend said:

Seriously.    You truly need to step back and look at what you just wrote.   Then think about what you just wrote.  Davis has played consistently better competition by accident than Fitzner ever has.  Romeo Langford and Juwon Morgan will be Martians to Fitzner for a while.   He is an insurance policy; not a major minutes guy.  We're not getting Max Bielfelt, here.  We're getting a guy from the West Coast Conference.  He played Gonzaga and...nobody.  He has some skills, but writing what you did and how you did looks like you believe he's walking in here to play major minutes and contribute stats.   The guy averaged 5 PPG playing 15 minutes a game against a schedule which included exactly 3 games against teams from BCS conferences.  Yet you like him better than DeRon Davis, who had his best game against a top 5 team with 2 lottery pick front court players.   Evan Fitzner can shoot.  We do not need DeRon Davis to shoot.   We need him to be a tough, athletic big guy.

You've claimed he isn't a good rebounder, but he played 18.8 MPG and averaged 4.3 RPG.  Extrapolate that into 40 minutes, and it's 9.1 RPG.  I'll take that all day.   He also averaged 1.5 blocks and 1 steal/game in his 18 minutes.  Fitzner over 40 MPG averaged 7.2 RPG; and was 0.2 blocks and 0.2 steals/game.   

Other than the ability to shoot (which Tim Priller could also do, by the way....might give you some perspective), Fitzner provides nothing at any level better than Davis does.   (All of this is assuming Davis is healthy, and if he's not, he nor any player can produce)  Not all systems need big men to "stretch the defense."   Indiana has a lightning quick point guard, an NBA caliber 2 guard, the best back to the basket/versatile big man in the conference in Morgan, and plenty of options in both front and back court.  God, how I hope we don't need our bigs to step out and make 3's in order to contend or compete nationally.  If we do, we're already in trouble.  Give me a junior who's 6'10" 250 with a chip on his shoulder over a Euro style west coast big man any time in the Big Ten.

We see basketball in a completely way. I also completely disagree on your assessment of Fitzner, oh well. 

I do hope De'Ron recovers from his injury.. he seems like a really good kid, I hate he's had to battle some injuries. 

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I have to say there seem to be a lot Evan Fitzner experts that have likely never seen him play more than a handful of minutes at most.

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Again, Im trusting the staff on this one. Must be something to like with Fitzner. Just dont think they bring in a grad transfer to take Prillers spot on the bench.

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I have to say there seem to be a lot Evan Fitzner experts that have likely never seen him play more than a handful of minutes at most.

That’s why I’ve been so quiet. Not enough footage for me to make a judgement on the kid. I’m gonna trust the staff on this one. He’s a shooter and we have a need for another shooter so I’m happy with it.


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FWIW when I searched him on twitter, a lot of St Mary fans were puzzled on why Fitzner’s minutes were cut. Most people thought he was treated unfairly


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8 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

FWIW when I searched him on twitter, a lot of St Mary fans were puzzled on why Fitzner’s minutes were cut. Most people thought he was treated unfairly


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It sounds like they went away from the system he was recruited for. Same problem as davis just main difference is Fitz didnt occur after a cosching change

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25 minutes ago, HooHooHoo22 said:

FWIW when I searched him on twitter, a lot of St Mary fans were puzzled on why Fitzner’s minutes were cut. Most people thought he was treated unfairly


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You should their message board that was posted. Lot of nice things to say about him. He did have 20 and 6 vs. a power 5 conference team in the nit

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3 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I have to say there seem to be a lot Evan Fitzner experts that have likely never seen him play more than a handful of minutetzner s at most.

I doubt we have a single Evan Fitzner expert on here who knew the name 14 days ago.

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I doubt we have a single Evan Fitzner expert on here who knew the name 14 days ago.

I’m definitely not an Fitzner expert but I knew who he was and watched a lot of St Mary’s games over the years he played and now I will get a chance to watch all of his games for IU. I’m interested in seeing how he will play in a system where they play more offensive possessions and run a little more.


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I’m definitely not an Fitzner expert but I knew who he was and watched a lot of St Mary’s games over the years he played and now I will get a chance to watch all of his games for IU. I’m interested in seeing how he will play in a system where they play more offensive possessions and run a little more.


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I remember watching that UW NIT game but Fitzner never jumped out at me. I've seen St. Mary's play a handful of times over the last couple years.


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That’s why I’ve been so quiet. Not enough footage for me to make a judgement on the kid. I’m gonna trust the staff on this one. He’s a shooter and we have a need for another shooter so I’m happy with it.

 

 

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Reading this thread has given me some serious deja vu back to when Biefeldt was coming in. “He only scored x points in x minutes per game with UM, “ etc. He (Biefeldt) ended up earning 6th man of the year with us...and under Crean’s tutelage. Archie can coach and he’s proving that he can recruit. I’ll sit back and let this one play out

 

 

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Something i wonder is if our guards had been getting better pressure on the ball carrier if Derons deficincies in the defense look as glaring.