2018 General Recruiting Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

Defense wasn't our issue against Syracuse. Nor do I think was length. I think that game fell solely on coaching. When you aren't even attempting to get the ball to the top of the key it doesn't matter how big we were/weren't against a zone. Then when we do we have Zeller driving into the teeth of that zone. I agree you can't teach size. I think it affords advantages. So does athleticism, being a "dawg", and intelligence. I think all 4 equally can provide a perfect player. Too much emphasis on one will create many issues elsewhere.
 
 
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Agree coaching was a huge problem there but we were overwhelmed by their length. That team was particularly long and we were particularly unprepared to make up for that. Players were in shock.

The UL losses were more about straight athleticism and intimidation.




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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

Defense wasn't our issue against Syracuse. Nor do I think was length. I think that game fell solely on coaching. When you aren't even attempting to get the ball to the top of the key it doesn't matter how big we were/weren't against a zone. Then when we do we have Zeller driving into the teeth of that zone. I agree you can't teach size. I think it affords advantages. So does athleticism, being a "dawg", and intelligence. I think all 4 equally can provide a perfect player. Too much emphasis on one will create many issues elsewhere.
 
 
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Good post. I think our normal offense that year was especially ineffective as our guards couldn't space and get open looks on the perimeter. We didn't really have a plan B. Even Zeller had issues that year against long armed bigs. Who was that Big for Minnesota that always ate Zellers lunch?

It was a really terrible matchup for our team but Crean did us no favors.


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[mdn82 26,344]

Agree coaching was a huge problem there but we were overwhelmed by their length. That team was particularly long and we were particularly unprepared to make up for that. Players were in shock.

The UL losses were more about straight athleticism and intimidation.




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They did have a PG that was 6'7". But we never made that zone move. That is coaching 101 on a zone and we never did it. 10 teams did it that year to that team. Yes they were hot, and yes length could have helped, but it probably wouldn't have mattered with our game plan. Only team I can think of that constantly has utilized their size in the interior against us has been Wisky. Guard size? Like you said, Syracuse could have helped. Kentucky guards used their size against us well. UNC guards did in the tournament as well. I am uncertain it is black and white size matters (get all of your minds out of the gutter ), but it most definitely helps if all things are equal. I would never disagree there.


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[mdn82 26,344]

Good post. I think our normal offense that year was especially ineffective as our guards couldn't space and get open looks on the perimeter. We didn't really have a plan B. Even Zeller had issues that year against long armed bigs. Who was that Big for Minnesota that always ate Zellers lunch?

It was a really terrible matchup for our team but Crean did us no favors.


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Trevor Mbawkwe (sp?)


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[JSHoosier 22,265]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Defense wasn't our issue against Syracuse. Nor do I think was length. I think that game fell solely on coaching. When you aren't even attempting to get the ball to the top of the key it doesn't matter how big we were/weren't against a zone. Then when we do we have Zeller driving into the teeth of that zone. I agree you can't teach size. I think it affords advantages. So does athleticism, being a "dawg", and intelligence. I think all 4 equally can provide a perfect player. Too much emphasis on one will create many issues elsewhere.

 

 

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I agree that Syracuse debacle was on coaching.  To call that team horrifically prepared would be an insult to horrifically prepared teams; we should've gotten some money back after that disaster.

Length could've helped, but better preparation and knowing how to attack the zone would've led to better looks regardless of length.

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

50 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I agree that Syracuse debacle was on coaching.  To call that team horrifically prepared would be an insult to horrifically prepared teams; we should've gotten some money back after that disaster.

Length could've helped, but better preparation and knowing how to attack the zone would've led to better looks regardless of length.

I hate discussing this game. Words can't describe how pissed I was. It was absolutely on coaching. That's when I saw the light

[Feathery 4,005]

2 hours ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I don't get all the discussion regarding RP's height. We just finished watching a 5'10" PG cement his legacy as one of the better individual players to come through Indiana. Makes no sense to me

I don't get the height discussion anymore either. RP is a legit 6'1" according to Rabjohns. It seems like once a narrative gets started it won't go away. 

[Hoosier Guy 8,333]

29 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I don't get the height discussion anymore either. RP is a legit 6'1" according to Rabjohns. It seems like once a narrative gets started it won't go away. 

Exactly. This guy is gonna be good. I hope IU gets him

[8bucks 7,617]

Agree coaching was a huge problem there but we were overwhelmed by their length. That team was particularly long and we were particularly unprepared to make up for that. Players were in shock.

The UL losses were more about straight athleticism and intimidation.




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Syracuse lost a week later to Michigan with a 6' guard (Trey Burke). The biggest reason was because McGary caught the ball in the same place Cody did but instead of driving he took the shot. Not even a good free throw shooter, like Cody was, McGary hit several shots from the middle of the zone.

I have no idea why Cody did not take those shots but that killed our offensive flow. I am slow to give Crean a break but i still think that could have been on Cody. Cody would never take the outside shot and initially I thought Crean would not let him but after watching Vonleh and Thomas take shots from outside i now wonder.

[Jam 288]

Also didn't help that Jordan Hulls was injured and shot something like 0 for March.

 

[8bucks 7,617]

Timing as well. We were the hottest team between mid Jan and the end of Feb when we won at MSU. Had the tournament occurred then we were at our peak. We beat Michigan and MSU twice and won at OSU, all teams ranked very high that year.

After MSU we go 5-4 our last 9 games. Such a collapse even before Syracuse.

[Dalton26 17,208]

It must be an Iphone bug, on my android I see his posts entirety.
 
 

I see his posts on iPhone.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

I see his posts on iPhone.


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Well fancy that, we gots a mystery afoot.

Can't see on IPhone or IPad when he uses the and sign.


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[Dalton26 17,208]

Well fancy that, we gots a mystery afoot.

Can't see on IPhone or IPad when he uses the and sign.


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I'm using the beta version of the app that Apple keeps rejecting though.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,809]

I'm using the beta version of the app that Apple keeps rejecting though.

'Splains dat.


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[JSHoosier 22,265]

4 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said:

I hate discussing this game. Words can't describe how pissed I was. It was absolutely on coaching. That's when I saw the light

Words can't describe how horrendous Crean's coaching job was there.  You couldn't do a worse job of preparation if you were actually trying to do worse.  It was comical, mind-blowing incompetence on his part.

That team was running on fumes going into March and barely scraped by Temple, and an injury to Hulls didn't help.  I still say that Temple game shows how much Hulls meant to that team, his leaving with injury and later returning were turning points in IU's play that game.  I hadn't given up on Crean yet, but it was a bright neon warning sign surround by flashing red arrows; I completely gave up when he managed to bumble his way into missing the NIT with two burger boys.

[GloryDays 6,232]

Words can't describe how horrendous Crean's coaching job was there.  You couldn't do a worse job of preparation if you were actually trying to do worse.  It was comical, mind-blowing incompetence on his part.
That team was running on fumes going into March and barely scraped by Temple, and an injury to Hulls didn't help.  I still say that Temple game shows how much Hulls meant to that team, his leaving with injury and later returning were turning points in IU's play that game.  I hadn't given up on Crean yet, but it was a bright neon warning sign surround by flashing red arrows; I completely gave up when he managed to bumble his way into missing the NIT with two burger boys.

I gave up on Crean earlier at Illinois.With game in hand we platoon while going zone against a team who's only strength was shooting.Up double digits and down just as many before he reacted.
I never expected much out of him after that.

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[Brass Cannon 25,594]

1 hour ago, Woodson1980 said:

I gave up on Crean earlier at Illinois.With game in hand we platoon while going zone against a team who's only strength was shooting.Up double digits and down just as many before he reacted.
I never expected much out of him after that.

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The year before against Nebraska is when Crean lost me. 

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

I gave up on Crean earlier at Illinois.With game in hand we platoon while going zone against a team who's only strength was shooting.Up double digits and down just as many before he reacted.
I never expected much out of him after that.

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I agree, he lost me this season. I noticed his substitution patterns were costing the team leads, and chances to put games away. Then Illinois and Syracuse happened

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

The crazy thing was Crean had played Syracuse before while in the Big East at Marquette. He went 0-2 against them. Obviously didn't learn a thing heading into that NCAA tourney game. 

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