Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Ajwhitis]

 I doubt any feedback they get from this will be much different than they received from their prior coach. If not, their prior coach was doing a really poor job.

 

This whole "test the waters" thing needs to go away. It's not good for college bball.

 

 

 

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It's not good for college BBall? The game has changed, the rule isn't made for fans, it's made for players. You can't argue that prior coaches tell them what to work on, because college basketball and the NBA are different beasts completely. The rule was made so kids can continue to make a living instead of risking it all and ultimately failing. The NBA scouts don't only tell them what to work on, they also tell the players whether they'd benefit in going to school for another year or not.

As for Bryant, I think he would benefit financially if he came back, because even if he did not improve next year, he'd still likely be drafted higher than this year because the big man depth in next years draft is shaping up to be a lot weaker than this years. This year is stacked with big guys. Blackmon should go however, his defensive inability did not come from a lack of effort, it came from a lack of skill on that end, he lack lateral quickness, but he is however an offensive power and NBA teams will pay for that, even if he isn't drafted, he'll have an opportunity to impress in summer camps and workouts.

 

 

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[Brass Cannon]

Ok since you didn't get the insinuation I'll say it bluntly. 

If helping kids make informed choices is bad for the college game. The screw the college game. 

College is about preparing for life after college why should that be different because they are athletes. 

If you want to argue that basketball should adopt a system similar to baseball where they either go pro or stay 3 years that's one thing. And it would ensure roster stability. 

But preventing people from making informed decisions is never good for the long term health of an organization. 

[Brass Cannon]

And if anything kids being able to get feedback if anything prevents roster turnover because you have fewer kids going into the draft who have no chance of being drafted. 

[rcbowla]

It's good for the student athletes that believe it or not will have a life after their time in college. They are essentially trying to better their chances at success in the future. So are you against someone trying to better themselves? That seems hateful if so

[mdn82]

Let's look at that preparation for life thingy then. Unless you're a 1st rounder, being drafted has little guarantee.

Here's the informed decision data they need...
Of second rounders 26% never make a team. Of the ones that do, 48% last less than three years. So only 26% last more than three.

How many scouts will tell them this.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/9722192

And yes, change the process. Something needs done about early entry.



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Well glad you brought this up. The process was changed to avoid these stats you brought up. So you are kind of arguing against yourself. On your other argument of getting rid of the early entry. Kids don't play college ball to play 4 years. They play for a chance to enter their career of choice. Remember, college basketball is amateurism....


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[Hovadipo]

Hateful.....Lol

Is this your safe place??

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Don't start that stuff in here.

[RedsIUfan]

7 hours ago, NCHoosier said:

Since we're discussing this in this thread, here is Chad Ford's draft predictions: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/18875530/2017-nba-draft-out

 

In summary:

OG: 15-25

TB: 25-50

JBJR: Possible 2nd Rounder but most likely undrafted

RoJo: Not discussed

 

 

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I'm enjoying y'alls back and forth. I see pros and cons on both sides. Related to this post but unrelated to your convo. I don't see the potential for OG that others do. I think he and TB benefited greatly their freshman year from the ability of Yogi to break down and draw defenders. I know that guards do this in the NBA but the athleticism is greater overall and I'm not sure about their abilities at that level

[Trish]

OG - 10-25

TB - 35-60

James - 45-60

RoJo - Undrafted

Maybe they take a chance at it. Hell, Yogi is the starting PG for the Mavs and Troy is signed to a multi year deal with the Rockets. 

 

I believe James, Thomas, and RoJo will all be back though. 

[GloryDays]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

[CrossboneIU22]

I'm enjoying y'alls back and forth. I see pros and cons on both sides. Related to this post but unrelated to your convo. I don't see the potential for OG that others do. I think he and TB benefited greatly their freshman year from the ability of Yogi to break down and draw defenders. I know that guards do this in the NBA but the athleticism is greater overall and I'm not sure about their abilities at that level

I agree with you but that is more of a reason OG should go, his draft stock is more likely to be hurt by him returning. It could improve, but the percentage of chance says he has a better shot at losing draft spots by returning if what this is true about OG


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[CrossboneIU22]

I wish they would let kids go straight out of highschool or make them play 3.Just my opinion but really think the one and done thing has hurt the college game.

Agreed


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[mdn82]

Wow....The process will NOT change results of a majority of 2nd round picks not being able to make the NBA. The process change was to allow return to school, nothing more.

So now that that we know their choice of career is not the NBA. Tell me why kids play basketball for four yrs.

So what exactly is your argument??

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The process will give more time for more thorough feedback to show where you will go. It's not that hard.


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[Chris007]

2 hours ago, Schreckbagger said:

 

 

 

 

 

Wow....The process will NOT change results of a majority of 2nd round picks not being able to make the NBA. The process change was to allow return to school, nothing more.

So now that that we know their choice of career is not the NBA. Tell me why kids play basketball for four yrs.

So what exactly is your argument??

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Also they get feedback about playing professionally whether it is in the NBA or overseas. Did you do an internship while in college? That's kind of what this is like. They will be told what they need to work on to become a professional basketball player. College coaches encourage this, and I know for a fact that ours does. 

[Chris007]

1 hour ago, Treesh said:

OG - 10-25

TB - 35-60

James - 45-60

RoJo - Undrafted

Maybe they take a chance at it. Hell, Yogi is the starting PG for the Mavs and Troy is signed to a multi year deal with the Rockets. 

 

I believe James, Thomas, and RoJo will all be back though. 

I do not believe James will be back. He knows he is not a first rounder but he is ready to start his professional career like Troy was.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I do not believe James will be back. He knows he is not a first rounder but he is ready to start his professional career like Troy was.

Pretty confident of this too.


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[Chris007]

Justin Smith has reconfirmed per Rabby.

[Chris007]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Pretty confident of this too.


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Yes the longer James stays the more it hurts his professional career. TB is at that point also. If he stays and doesn't get better his stock will really fall. James was known as a great shooter who couldn't play defense or do much else after his freshman year. After his junior year he is known as a good shooter who can't do much else. 

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Justin Smith has reconfirmed per Rabby.

HUGE AND MOST EXCELLENT NEWS!!

 

Jeff Rabjohns‏ @JeffRabjohns  4m4 minutes ago

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http://Peegs.com  sources: 2017 forward Justin Smith of Lincolnshire (IL) Stevenson has re-confirmed his Indiana commitment. #iubb

[ramadden13]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Justin Smith has reconfirmed per Rabby.

Great news! Smith would have had other good options, so Archie must have made a good impression!

[Chris007]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Jeff Rabjohns‏ @JeffRabjohns  4m4 minutes ago

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http://Peegs.com  sources: 2017 forward Justin Smith of Lincolnshire (IL) Stevenson has re-confirmed his Indiana commitment. #iubb

Sometimes I like to give others credit instead of breaking all the news myself :-)

Edited April 12, 2017 by Chris007