Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[mdn82]

I would love to have Tom and JBJ back. Talent wise, they are at the top of this team. They are also a part of the prior culture that Archie is trying to change. Easiest way to do that is without the previous star players IF they aren't able to adapt to change. Blackmon has been the same type of player at both ends for 7 years (minus obvious injury time). Tom I don't know on. I didn't watch him in HS. Both want to be a pro. They both have learn how to play defense. I think one goes and the other comes back.


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[HoosierAloha]

Just taking a look at the top ranked players of next years class and just imagine if Archie could get both Garland and Romeo, or Phinisee and Romeo. I think this place would be down for a week. lol

Garland and Romeo would blow this place up. That's Duke, puke, ucla, or Arizona type recruiting. If Smith has a huge frost to sophomore leap that would be an incredible starting 5 (Garland, Langford, Smith, Morgan, and Davis) and a good guard rotation (Green, Jones, and Durham).

We'll lose three guards over the next year. Replacing them with Garland, Langford, and Phinisee would be excellent. I just don't see it working out unless Jones and Green are willing to wait until their seniors to start, Durham is patient, and Phinisee will play third fiddle for a few years.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I would love to have Tom and JBJ back. Talent wise, they are at the top of this team. They are also a part of the prior culture that Archie is trying to change. Easiest way to do that is without the previous star players IF they aren't able to adapt to change. Blackmon has been the same type of player at both ends for 7 years (minus obvious injury time). Tom I don't know on. I didn't watch him in HS. Both want to be a pro. They both have learn how to play defense. I think one goes and the other comes back.


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100% this. JBJ is who he is. A dynamic shooter. Never been a defensive stopper at any level.

TB just needs the right guidance. He was phenomenal in HS. All motor, heart, hustle. His footwork didn't hurt him as much because of his enormous size and length could make up for sloppy footwork.

TB under the right guidance could be a force for us. This whole Crean dribble drive offense with TB was ludicrous. Trying to turn TB into a wing player for the NBA. TB is a big. He can shoot. Pick and pops and pick and rolls. Get him to stay home on defense too, so he is in better position to help defend dribble drives.

I want TB back.

Excited to see Devonte get more run at guard anyway.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

If we only have room for one of the two I hope we get Bryant back. I have nothing against JBJ and I would love for him to come back for his senior year, but I think TB is the one that's more likely to buy-in to Archie's system. He seems like a kid that really wants to be coached and I think he was done a disservice last year by whoever decided to turn him into a wing. Plus we would have a lot of frontcourt depth if he came back which is always nice. 

[Dalton26]

25 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Garland and Romeo would blow this place up. That's Duke, puke, ucla, or Arizona type recruiting. If Smith has a huge frost to sophomore leap that would be an incredible starting 5 (Garland, Langford, Smith, Morgan, and Davis) and a good guard rotation (Green, Jones, and Durham).

We'll lose three guards over the next year. Replacing them with Garland, Langford, and Phinisee would be excellent. I just don't see it working out unless Jones and Green are willing to wait until their seniors to start, Durham is patient, and Phinisee will play third fiddle for a few years.

I'd be thrilled with just getting one of them, I guess I'm just having big dreams today lol 

 

I dont see either of them wanting to wait that long to start unfortunately.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

3 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I wasn't talking about scholarship numbers. I was talking about Moore red shirting. I believe he said in an interview that CAM wanted him to redshirt and he wasn't fond of it. Does him recommitting mean he's willing to redshirt?

I think if CAM pushed redshirting then Moore went elsewhere.  By honoring his commitment, I think CAM made it clear there would be no redshirt which further suggests to me CAM expects TB to leave and thus Moore will see plenty of minutes as a freshman backing up DD.

[HoosierAloha]

I think if CAM pushed redshirting then Moore went elsewhere.  By honoring his commitment, I think CAM made it clear there would be no redshirt which further suggests to me CAM expects TB to leave and thus Moore will see plenty of minutes as a freshman backing up DD.

I could see Morgan or Hartman getting time backing up DD as well. There's not too many backup bigs in the B1G.

[Stromboli]

2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I could see Morgan or Hartman getting time backing up DD as well. There's not too many backup bigs in the B1G.

I think this is far more likely than Clifton being our "big."  It's not a role he wants to do, or really can do right now.  Morgan and Hartman are both willing to mix it up in there a little more.  I agree, if TB leaves, we're going to be very thin in the middle.  

[Hoosier Guy]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

100% this. JBJ is who he is. A dynamic shooter. Never been a defensive stopper at any level.

TB just needs the right guidance. He was phenomenal in HS. All motor, heart, hustle. His footwork didn't hurt him as much because of his enormous size and length could make up for sloppy footwork.

TB under the right guidance could be a force for us. This whole Crean dribble drive offense with TB was ludicrous. Trying to turn TB into a wing player for the NBA. TB is a big. He can shoot. Pick and pops and pick and rolls. Get him to stay home on defense too, so he is in better position to help defend dribble drives.

I want TB back.

Excited to see Devonte get more run at guard anyway.


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I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Thomas Bryant would have a resurgence under Archie. The most important difference would be Archie would put Bryant at his natural position. Why Crean tried to make him a wing is beyond my comprehension. Put his @$$ in the post like freshman year and Bryant will once again be a beast

[Travis Scott]

Bryant has a TON to gain by coming back this next year and working with a new staff on the block and dominating the glass.  I see potential for a big stat jump and that's just from correct utilization, not even player growth.  

JBJ on the other hand is a shooter. He's been a real good shooter for a real long time, but his other skills have and I feel will always be lacking to some degree no matter the time/effort he puts in.  IMO, JBJ should go get paid while he can (wherever that may be) and TB could really make a difference in his first contract by staying back a year. 

[HoosierAloha]

I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Thomas Bryant would have a resurgence under Archie. The most important difference would be Archie would put Bryant at his natural position. Why Crean tried to make him a wing is beyond my comprehension. Put his @$$ in the post like freshman year and Bryant will once again be a beast

Bryant will need of summer in the weight room and dance hall to be a dominate low post scorer. His freshman year he excelled from offensive rebounds for putbacks and Yogi dropping him dimes. Bryant's footwork isn't good enough to be dominant in the B1G.

[HoosierHoops1]

16 hours ago, Kmorlan said:

Is there a transfer deadline, and if so, when is that deadline?


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I believe it is prior to the 1st day of class or enrollment deadline. Iirc Ben Allen transfered in August.

[Stuhoo]

Ummm...guys (and gals): I know we've been focused on Al and Justin at the Derby last weekend, but Clifton Moore played in the Jordan Brand regional game against a whole lot of top 100, and even more than a couple top 50 ranked players. No defense played in the game; final score 170-162, and our guy Clifton had 11 points. 

The big takeaways likely came from the experts who saw the game and the workouts between these top recruits.

Here's what Draft Express (Givony) had to say about our incoming freshman:

CLIFTON MOORE, PF/C, CLASS OF 2017, INDIANA STRENGTHS -Intriguing physical profile at 6' 10 with a frame that should fill out really nicely in time (although on the thin side right now). Long arms. -Fluid in the open floor. Bouncy in space. -Projectable shooting stroke out to three. Ball comes out of his hand really nicely. Great rotation. Has the agility and footwork to shoot off the bounce a little bit as well. -Can straight line drive in space. -Has upside defensively given his length and agility

WEAKNESSES-Nice frame but on the thin side right now -Doesn't have the most natural feel for the game -Not overly physical on the defensive end -Prefers to float on the perimeter a little bit offensively -Shooting potential not fully realized at this stage

OUTLOOK-The Indiana signee stood out as the most interesting long-term prospect in the Jordan Brand Classic Regional Game. At 6'10, he has the size and length to play some five down the road once he fills out, and the agility to play the four. It's hard to find bigs with Moore's tools and shooting potential, which is likely the key to unlocking his long-term upside. Given the nature of the game we weren't able to get an extended look at Moore's defensive intensity and decision making, but we were able to identify him as an NBA prospect worth tracking. Moore elected to remain committed to Indiana despite the coaching change, and is a major building block for Archie Miller and his staff moving forward. READ NEXT... - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/jordan-brand-classic-national-and-regional-game-scouting-reports-5894/ ©DraftExpresss

[goonaha]

Ummm...guys (and gals): I know we've been focused on Al and Justin at the Derby last weekend, but Clifton Moore played in the Jordan Brand regional game against a whole lot of five star players. No defense played in the game; final score 170-162, and our guy Clifton had 11 points. 
The big takeaways likely came from the experts who saw the game and the workouts between these top 50 recruits.
Here's what Draft Express (Givony) had to say about our incoming freshman:
CLIFTON MOORE, PF/C, CLASS OF 2017, INDIANA STRENGTHS -Intriguing physical profile at 6' 10 with a frame that should fill out really nicely in time (although on the thin side right now). Long arms. -Fluid in the open floor. Bouncy in space. -Projectable shooting stroke out to three. Ball comes out of his hand really nicely. Great rotation. Has the agility and footwork to shoot off the bounce a little bit as well. -Can straight line drive in space. -Has upside defensively given his length and agility
WEAKNESSES-Nice frame but on the thin side right now -Doesn't have the most natural feel for the game -Not overly physical on the defensive end -Prefers to float on the perimeter a little bit offensively -Shooting potential not fully realized at this stage
OUTLOOK-The Indiana signee stood out as the most interesting long-term prospect in the Jordan Brand Classic Regional Game. At 6'10, he has the size and length to play some five down the road once he fills out, and the agility to play the four. It's hard to find bigs with Moore's tools and shooting potential, which is likely the key to unlocking his long-term upside. Given the nature of the game we weren't able to get an extended look at Moore's defensive intensity and decision making, but we were able to identify him as an NBA prospect worth tracking. Moore elected to remain committed to Indiana despite the coaching change, and is a major building block for Archie Miller and his staff moving forward. READ NEXT... - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/jordan-brand-classic-national-and-regional-game-scouting-reports-5894/ [emoji767]DraftExpress

Very high praise. Draft express knows their stuff.


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[Hoosier Guy]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Bryant will need of summer in the weight room and dance hall to be a dominate low post scorer. His freshman year he excelled from offensive rebounds for putbacks and Yogi dropping him dimes. Bryant's footwork isn't good enough to be dominant in the B1G.

That may be true but it's a hell of lot better position for him to succeed than on the wing

[Crimson and Cream]

I take more into account what Givony says about Moore than anyone else as those guys at DX know their stuff

[HoosierAloha]

That may be true but it's a hell of lot better position for him to succeed than on the wing

Completely agree. IF Bryant returns it will be best for him and IU to play in the post. He's not going to play on the perimeter in the NBA, he just doesn't have that game. Archie should utilize him in the post depending on the lineup and matchup. He CAN be a dominant big after a good summer. That's where he'll make his money.

[Hoosier Guy]

11 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Completely agree. IF Bryant returns it will be best for him and IU to play in the post. He's not going to play on the perimeter in the NBA, he just doesn't have that game. Archie should utilize him in the post depending on the lineup and matchup. He CAN be a dominant big after a good summer. That's where he'll make his money.

It's no coincidence that he would've been a 1st round pick after showing his stuff freshman season. He was in the post. That's where he should be at all times

[Travis Scott]

The big question is if TB leaves, can Clifton Moore fill the shoes as our next point center?  I want to see crazy hedging out to the half court line, at least 5 threes a game, and 4 TO's dribbling outside the arc. 

 

[AKHoosier]

6 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/4/17/15320790/recruiting-the-class-of-2018-just-the-beginning-for-archie-miller

A good overview article from the Crimson Quarry.

Very hot take on Keion Brooks, which will be added to the Keion Brooks thread.

 

Lots of great info to come from this, I'd love if we could end up with Brooks in 2019.  Schilling should camp out in that family's front yard.

Also I'm going to go out on a limb and predict Phinisee will be Archie Miller's first commitment at IU, not including the 2017 guys to reaffirm their commitments.  I think he really wants to come here.