TOM CREAN FIRED

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[TheWatShot 13,634]

If Crean had Waters and Wilkes coming in next year and 2/3 of Blackmon, Bryant and OG were coming back, I think Crean would be safe. If 2/3 of them leave, I think he's done. Glass is smart enough to realize next year will be another wasted year if that happens. 

[Hardwood83 4,725]

2 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

If Crean had Waters and Wilkes coming in next year and 2/3 of Blackmon, Bryant and OG were coming back, I think Crean would be safe. If 2/3 of them leave, I think he's done. Glass is smart enough to realize next year will be another wasted year if that happens. 

Disagree: one year from B1G championship, injuries and $4mil buyout will get him another season, IMO. That is what I think will happen, not what I think should.

[TheWatShot 13,634]

3 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Disagree: one year from B1G championship, injuries and $4mil buyout will get him another season, IMO. That is what I think will happen, not what I think should.

1) The Big Ten title is nice, but that isn't going to win games next season, or any future season.

2) The team was fading even before the injuries.

3) The buyout is irrelevant and always has been. 

[Stuhoo 79,611]

1 minute ago, TheWatShot said:

1) The Big Ten title is nice, but that isn't going to win games next season, or any future season.

2) The team was fading even before the injuries.

3) The buyout is irrelevant and always has been. 

 

ALL of this, but that doesn't mean we will fire CTC.

 

[JSHoosier 19,816]

59 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I agree it's time for a change since CTC's teams are inconsistent, lack fundamentals and make poor decisions too often. Still, how many of you truly believe he gets fired after this season? Unless something dramatic happens, I say it less than a 5% chance.

I do think it's unfair to say that the "injury excuse" has no merit. IU is down 2, maybe 3, starters from the preseason and appears Morgan and Davis are less than 100%. Not even the '96 Bulls are gonna just shake off losses like that.  

Do I think he gets fired?  No.  Should he?  Resoundingly, undeniably, yes.

An extension will surprise me less than a firing though.

[Stuhoo 79,611]

1 minute ago, JSHoosier said:

Do I think he gets fired?  No.  Should he?  Resoundingly, undeniably, yes.

An extension will surprise me less than a firing though.

 

I'm in the camp that we have to either fire or extend. Executing neither of those options would surprise me the most.

If we extend the fanbase is going to blow a gasket. While I'll understand why said gasket will be blown, as long as the extension is for "recruiting optics" only and doesn't affect our financial commitment to CTC, that'll be okay, I guess.

 

[TheWatShot 13,634]

Keeping him without extending him is basically firing him without actually firing him. That would surprise me more than anything else. 

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12 hours ago, HoosierRob said:

 

 

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I'm in the camp that we have to either fire or extend. Executing neither of those options would surprise me the most.

If we extend the fanbase is going to blow a gasket. While I'll understand why said gasket will be blown, as long as the extension is for "recruiting optics" only and doesn't affect our financial commitment to CTC, that'll be okay, I guess.

 

And thats the difference this year vs a couple years ago. Glass pretty much has to make a move one way or the other. Which is why I think there is a better chance for a firing this time.

[triple 408]

I don't see a firing scenario.  I think it comes down to a very quiet search and verbal agreement being handled behind the scenes. Once that happens, I think Glass will give Crean  unofficial notice and 1-3 months to 'pursue other options'.  That's a win-win in that it will avoid a buy-out and allow Crean to leave voluntarily, versus being fired. Once he announces he's leaving, it will come to light that we have a target candidate and the official agreement/negotiations will go quickly.

[Trish 11,505]

I don't see a firing scenario.  I think it comes down to a very quiet search and verbal agreement being handled behind the scenes. Once that happens, I think Glass will give Crean  unofficial notice and 1-3 months to 'pursue other options'.  That's a win-win in that it will avoid a buy-out and allow Crean to leave voluntarily, versus being fired. Once he announces he's leaving, it will come to light that we have a target candidate and the official agreement/negotiations will go quickly.

Just like Kevin Wilson. Yep. Glass will tell him next January to start looking. We'll be searching for new coach by December .


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[Bowhunter 2,693]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

If Crean had Waters and Wilkes coming in next year and 2/3 of Blackmon, Bryant and OG were coming back, I think Crean would be safe. If 2/3 of them leave, I think he's done. Glass is smart enough to realize next year will be another wasted year if that happens. 

I think Glass gives him one more year based solely off injuries this season and Big Ten championship and coach of the year last season. 

Recruiting is part of his job so missing out again on Indiana stud Wilkes and others, a true point guard like Waters , leaves the cupboard pretty bare for the immediate future. 

With that being said I will be shocked if he gets an extension and Is the coach of IU basketball after next season. 

[Brass Cannon 24,222]

9 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I think Glass gives him one more year based solely off injuries this season and Big Ten championship and coach of the year last season. 

Recruiting is part of his job so missing out again on Indiana stud Wilkes and others, a true point guard like Waters , leaves the cupboard pretty bare for the immediate future. 

With that being said I will be shocked if he gets an extension and Is the coach of IU basketball after next season. 

He can't coach without an extension. 

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It's the week we play purdoo and there's not a hate thread. A state of APATHY?

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,848]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

Keeping him without extending him is basically firing him without actually firing him. That would surprise me more than anything else. 

Yup!  That's as good as driving a nail in the recruiting coffin.

[TheWatShot 13,634]

I think Glass not extending Crean after last season says he still wasn't sold and wanted to see sustained success. He knows what happened after the first Big Ten title and wanted to see if Crean could avoid that this time…and he isn't. 

[Hoosier Guy 7,518]

55 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

I think Glass not extending Crean after last season says he still wasn't sold and wanted to see sustained success. He knows what happened after the first Big Ten title and wanted to see if Crean could avoid that this time…and he isn't. 

Good analysis. Kinda like a "fool me once, shame on you" and "fool me twice, shame on me" scenario

[LIHoosier 25,799]

3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

He can't coach without an extension. 

 

[Hardwood83 4,725]

4 hours ago, triple said:

I don't see a firing scenario.  I think it comes down to a very quiet search and verbal agreement being handled behind the scenes. Once that happens, I think Glass will give Crean  unofficial notice and 1-3 months to 'pursue other options'.  That's a win-win in that it will avoid a buy-out and allow Crean to leave voluntarily, versus being fired. Once he announces he's leaving, it will come to light that we have a target candidate and the official agreement/negotiations will go quickly.

That is an absolute best case and would be great. I love the idea of waiting until you have your guy before making a move. IMO, the goal isn't to replace CTC, it's to hire someone clearly better.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

In my view, the longer we wait, the less likely it will occur, at all.