College Bball Thread

[MikeRoberts]

That’s what should scare you guys though and I don’t think you all understand the revenue cycle of things like that. If you make a $1 in any Corporation you are lucky to get $.05 back for capital planning. So many people get their hands on the money before it would come to the AD. Of that .05 there are about 20 sports programs at IU that get their hands on it. You cannot increase budget for one program without increasing budgets for all. To do that you have to prove the revenue wasn’t a fluke. We are talking less than a couple mill at most due to all of the programs involved. That is why donations are so important.

If our AD operated on a $50 mill budget. Then collectively we bring in $150 if our football team is great. That means we have $100 mill after the $50 is paid. The $100 mill goes through the University first as that is what the athletic revenue is for. More times than not the athletic office pulls in 1/20 of the leftover (not a number pulled out of thin air). That is $5 million. Where do you think bonuses come from? Donations specific to program are then also added. That is why donations are so critical. Trust me when I say additional revenue from football does nothing to the AD other than helps AD and FBHC a bonus and maybe adds a handful of million to be split amongst the budgets for the upcoming seasons if it was a really good year. Revenue and budgeting is not as simplistic as you guys are making it out to be at all lol.


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I guess I see both sides of the argument is all. I think what you are saying is probably pretty accurate but there are a lot of other things to think about as well is all. The donations that are coming in to the athletic department today are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years delayed in a sense.

The big donors are older and were at IU when we were a powerhouse in the 70s and 80s and that is the IU they know and fell in love with and 30 years later are sending checks to support it. With basketball and football both being down the last 20 years, that is several decades worth of folks filtering through IU that are not as in love or fanatical with IU sports and we will see the impact of that down the road if we don't turn the corner quickly with basketball first and football second.

While I think we can improve the product on the field and court without massive investment in facilities, those things do matter and we need to keep up with the arms race in every sense




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[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I guess I see both sides of the argument is all. I think what you are saying is probably pretty accurate but there are a lot of other things to think about as well is all. The donations that are coming in to the athletic department today are 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years delayed in a sense.

The big donors are older and were at IU when we were a powerhouse in the 70s and 80s and that is the IU they know and fell in love with and 30 years later are sending checks to support it. With basketball and football both being down the last 20 years, that is several decades worth of folks filtering through IU that are not as in love or fanatical with IU sports and we will see the impact of that down the road if we don't turn the corner quickly with basketball first and football second.

While I think we can improve the product on the field and court without massive investment in facilities, those things do matter and we need to keep up with the arms race in every sense




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I dont think any ody is disagreeing with the need to compete with facilities. 

Just that that raising football revenue is going to somehow help pay for these

[MikeRoberts]

I dont think any ody is disagreeing with the need to compete with facilities. 
Just that that raising football revenue is going to somehow help pay for these

My argument might be a little different than those who initiated the opposed viewpoint but as I mentioned above, if our football program was good, don't you think that would make for more passion and excitement for IU athletics which will also help with donations now and the decades to come?

The donations that are coming in are in a lot of ways coming in from work that precious administrations laid. It's a very delayed process. Future administrations are going to have to deal with the mess that has taken place over the last 20 years more than the current regime. The current regime is reaping the rewards from others work. Having a shitty football and basketball program for 20 years is going to come back to haunt the school later


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[MikeRoberts]

My argument might be a little different than those who initiated the opposed viewpoint but as I mentioned above, if our football program was good, don't you think that would make for more passion and excitement for IU athletics which will also help with donations now and the decades to come?

The donations that are coming in are in a lot of ways coming in from work that precious administrations laid. It's a very delayed process. Future administrations are going to have to deal with the mess that has taken place over the last 20 years more than the current regime. The current regime is reaping the rewards from others work. Having a shitty football and basketball program for 20 years is going to come back to haunt the school later

It's all connected is all


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[Brass Cannon]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

My argument might be a little different than those who initiated the opposed viewpoint but as I mentioned above, if our football program was good, don't you think that would make for more passion and excitement for IU athletics which will also help with donations now and the decades to come?

The donations that are coming in are in a lot of ways coming in from work that precious administrations laid. It's a very delayed process. Future administrations are going to have to deal with the mess that has taken place over the last 20 years more than the current regime. The current regime is reaping the rewards from others work. Having a shitty football and basketball program for 20 years is going to come back to haunt the school later


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I don't think our football team will help one bit in raising money for basketball specific facilities.  

I might be wrong but UKs luxury apartments aren't for any other athletes. 

Its up to Archie to have success to get money for that. 

[HoosierAloha]

I don't think there's an argument that having a better football program would help. The argument is how much it would help.

Regardless, I'd love to have a respectable football program that
1) goes to a bowl game annually
2) consistently sells out home games
3) a source of pride for IU fans and alums
4) helps provide annual revenue

I love IU and want to see all sports prosper. I'd love to see the consistent sell outs at soccer games, women's basketball games having huge crowds, and all other programs being supported to the upmost. I think the administration and student body could do more to get fans in the seats.


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I don't think there's an argument that having a better football program would help. The argument is how much it would help.

Regardless, I'd love to have a respectable football program that
1) goes to a bowl game annually
2) consistently sells out home games
3) a source of pride for IU fans and alums
4) helps provide annual revenue

I love IU and want to see all sports prosper. I'd love to see the consistent sell outs at soccer games, women's basketball games having huge crowds, and all other programs being supported to the upmost. I think the administration and student body could do more to get fans in the seats.


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Agreed about fostering support for other sports. Would love to see them give a discount on basketball and football tickets if you attend a certain number of other sporting events

[MemphisHoosier]

Watching Purdue vs. Minney, probably goes w/o saying...but Purdue is going to be a tall order even in SSAH.

[TheWatShot]

3 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Watching Purdue vs. Minney, probably goes w/o saying...but Purdue is going to be a tall order even in SSAH.

Honestly think it would take our best game to stay within single digits.

[LIHoosier]

Couple tight instate games. Michigan/MSU tied with 8 minutes left, Kansas/BAM tied with 4 minutes left

[IUfan_Charlie]

Moe Wagner's offense is insane. Freak agility for someone his size. 

[cljones1979]

We barely beat minnesota and purdue spanked them by 34

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[WayneFleekHoosier]

How people continue to discredit Haas is amazing to me. Purdue is truly one of the best teams in the country this year. Amazing, considering that roster.

If Purdue keeps this up Painter will be a national coach of the year candidate.


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[ThompsonHoosier]

Looking like Michigan will steal a win at MSU.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

41 minutes ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Watching Purdue vs. Minney, probably goes w/o saying...but Purdue is going to be a tall order even in SSAH.

Nice pun.  And you're absolutely right.

[LIHoosier]

So MSU has 5 days before their next game with Izzo getting them hungry and angry. I'd hate to be their next opponent.

Uh oh.

[cthomas]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

How people continue to discredit Haas is amazing to me. Purdue is truly one of the best teams in the country this year. Amazing, considering that roster.

If Purdue keeps this up Painter will be a national coach of the year candidate.


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Purdue has no apparent weaknesses. They have size, depth, and shooting. I would take C. Edwards any and every day of the week. With MSU going down at home today, Purdue looks in the driver's seat for back to back conference titles. Like it or not, and I don't, they are a legitimate threat for a deep tourney run.

[cthomas]

Just now, LIHoosier said:

So MSU has 5 days before their next game with Izzo getting them hungry and angry. I'd hate to be their next opponent.

Uh oh.

We may be just what the doctor ordered!

[Hoosier Guy]

Michigan State isn’t that good. They’re talented but they can’t put it together. I don’t fear them. Purdue might win the B1G again. But then again, they’re Purdue. They’ll find a way to lose it

[TheWatShot]

34 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

How people continue to discredit Haas is amazing to me. Purdue is truly one of the best teams in the country this year. Amazing, considering that roster.

If Purdue keeps this up Painter will be a national coach of the year candidate.


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I figured they'd be pretty good, even with Swanigan gone, but what I'm struggling to comprehend is how they're THIS good. Is the Big Ten just that bad? Is college basketball that down? Do teams just struggle with their size because it's so unusual for a team to be playing 2 seven footers regularly in this day and age? Was Carsen Edwards just that underrated? Has their senior class just panned out that much better than even they could have envisioned? It just seems like so many things all had to happen for them to reach this point, and every single one of them did. Even crazier when you consider Painter was close to getting fired three years ago.