College Bball Thread

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Jon Rothstein -

Kentucky's Nate Sestina will miss approximately four weeks due to a fractured left wrist, per release. Had surgery this morning.

Paging Keion Brooks.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Maybe Brooks is the one that broke Sestina's hand?  Just thinkin' out loud

[Alford Bailey]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

 

So so true. Calipari is into year twelve, and will very likely not it get it done this year.

Nova, UVA? They get it. 

Archie gets it too, and the eventual results will show. You think we've played pretty well so far? Archie thinks our defense kinda sucks so far, and with the veteran group he has that's gonna be addressed and improved. Next year will be even better. I'll betcha that IU and Purdue are two of the top three or four teams in the B1G next year.

The order of progression:

1. Get old. 
2. Stay old.
3. Win a lot, and consistently.
4. And we will.

 

* with talent

[Old Friend]

2 hours ago, DChoosier said:

I agree with the second paragraph but am still in the camp that does not like the schedule. As mentioned before we do not need a murderers row schedule but a few more 100-150 teams, roughly like Louisiana Tech, instead of the nearly 300 type teams  ,would be nice. Sagarin has our schedule so far ranked at 345. INDIANA has the 345th ranked SOS so far. Those cupcakes are too sweet.  I say this knowing it won’t matter al all if we make the tourney etc but I still would like the schedule tweaked.

I'm really not saying I like it and I agree with you and everyone else in principle.   That said, I don't necessarily think it's hurting Indiana, either.   They've seen adversity, they've been allowed to get all 11 players quality time on the floor, they've sorted out lineups and positions, and they've learned how to play team defense, or at least that they still need lots of work on that.  All without a loss and all while also seeing how much they've improved. AND..how good they can be offensively if they attack and keep the ball moving.

In the end, Indiana will have played a top 40 schedule.  That's fine as far as I'm concerned.    I may be all by myself in this opinion, but in November, I am FAR more interested in watching OUR players and the overall team develop(ment) than I am the opponent and final score.  I have seen a lot of criticism of the schedule, and I suppose my point was "any given night."    These kids from Portland State and Stephen F. Austin are on scholarship, too and they can all play.   

Going 7-0 against cupcakes (which we will) is fine as long as some are decent, and some have been decent.  Indiana is currently #31 in Sagarin, and for reference's sake, there are 12 teams in the top 31 (including Indiana) who have not yet played a Sagarin top 50 team.   Included on that list are Maryland, North Carolina, and Michigan.  Indiana's not alone.  9 other schools in the top 31 have schedule strength in the 300's (Texas Tech, Louisville, and Kentucky among them).  It'll all work out, and I'd rather see our still young team grow into a better unit while they win.  I guess I believe it's all part of a longer term process because when we start winning, we'll start playing in better pre-conference events and by proxy against better teams.   I just don't see the early schedule as detrimental as some do.  

** For what it's worth, the Purdue's are #64 in Sagarin and they also have a SoS in the 300's.  I sure wouldn't want to trade with them.  

[DChoosier]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I get that we as fans want to see more competitive games. Pounding overmatched teams doesn't really do much for us. It's boring. But, I just don't think we know nearly as much about this team and what it needs as he does. And, I don't think he cares all that much how we feel about the scheduling. As others have noted, the schedule gets significantly tougher next year. I can see a bit of Coach Knight in CAM's approach to building a team.

We will see what we have starting Tuesday (I’m going to the game and can’t wait). Tuesday starts a stretch of 7 games that will be challenging and fun (I hope) to watch. Just wish we had a 100% Rob.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

He's over the hill.  He's lost his edge.  Fire Coach K.

I kind of wonder if he’s going to change his recruiting tactics before he retires.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

 
So so true. Calipari is into year twelve, and will very likely not it get it done this year.
Nova, UVA? They get it. 
Archie gets it too, and the eventual results will show. You think we've played pretty well so far? Archie thinks our defense kinda sucks so far, and with the veteran group he has that's gonna be addressed and improved. Next year will be even better. I'll betcha that IU and Purdue are two of the top three or four teams in the B1G next year.
The order of progression:

1. Get old. 
2. Stay old.
3. Win a lot, and consistently.
4. And we will.

 

You have to collect talent and build at the same time. That’s how UVa won last year. That’s how Nova won twice. That’s how UNC has won.


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[Old Friend]

1 hour ago, cthomas said:

I get that we as fans want to see more competitive games. Pounding overmatched teams doesn't really do much for us. It's boring. But, I just don't think we know nearly as much about this team and what it needs as he does. And, I don't think he cares all that much how we feel about the scheduling. As others have noted, the schedule gets significantly tougher next year. I can see a bit of Coach Knight in CAM's approach to building a team.

In bold....this is 100% incorrect.  

In red, only if you watch only for the score.   That's absolutely your prerogative; but it's not boring if you're watching our players and our team develop rather than the score.

In purple, disagree with this, too.  I think we know a lot about this team.  What don't you know?  Without the crystal ball stuff like "what will happen if ____," what don't we know?  What haven't you seen?   Serious question.  

[Hoosier987]

I can tell you that this year’s team plays much better collectively than last year’s team. 

[Uspshoosier]

You have to collect talent and build at the same time. That’s how UVa won last year. That’s how Nova won twice. That’s how UNC has won.

 

 

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Talent comes in many forms. Talent can be a top 50 kid that makes an impact right away, talent can be a top 50 kid that only plays 12 min a game and 7 pts his freshman year and then gets stronger and older his later years, talent can be a kid that was committed to UC Davis until peach jam ranked in the 300’s then wins peach jam finals mvp and reopens his commitment and eventually contributes his freshman year on a national title team, talent can be a kid the kid ranked over 100 that works his butt off and by the time he is a senior his on the wooden watch.

 

 

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[Hovadipo]

Jimmy Dykes calling college basketball again just feels right. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

4 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

In purple, disagree with this, too.  I think we know a lot about this team.  What don't you know?  Without the crystal ball stuff like "what will happen if ____," what don't we know?  What haven't you seen?   Serious question.  

We haven't seen how they respond to getting behind 10-12 pts. have we?

[Uspshoosier]

Jimmy Dykes calling college basketball again just feels right. 

Yep I like him a lot especially when he does his who is riding on the plane bit


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Talent comes in many forms. Talent can be a top 50 kid that makes an impact right away, talent can be a top 50 kid that only plays 12 min a game and 7 pts his freshman year and then gets stronger and older his later years, talent can be a kid that was committed to UC Davis until peach jam ranked in the 300’s then wins peach jam finals mvp and reopens his commitment and eventually contributes his freshman year on a national title team, talent can be a kid the kid ranked over 100 that works his butt off and by the time he is a senior his on the wooden watch.
 
 
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National title teams get some Top 50 talent and 4 stars. That’s what they are normally built on. Maybe a 5* or two.


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[mdn82]

National title teams get some Top 50 talent and 4 stars. That’s what they are normally built on. Maybe a 5* or two.


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Not entirely true. UNC is built that way. Nova is mostly built that way. Virginia is the least by far.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/news/analyzing-college-basketballs-relationship-between-recruiting-rankings-and-wins-04-17-2019/amp/


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[Uspshoosier]

National title teams get some Top 50 talent and 4 stars. That’s what they are normally built on. Maybe a 5* or two.  

 

 

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national title teams also have non top 50 talent on their roster as well that step up and contribute for those national title teams. Louisville didn’t win it’s fake national title because Wayne Blackshear was a top 30 player they won because luke Hancock a George Mason transfer got hot and won MOP of the final 4, Russ Smith a recruit in the 300’s dominated, Montrez Harrell, Siva both non top 50 player were solid. Luke Maye a former walk-on that was ranked outside the top 100 sent home a roster full of top 50 players on North Carolina’s national title run. Talent comes in many forms

 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Not entirely true. UNC is built that way. Nova is mostly built that way. Virginia is the least by far.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/news/analyzing-college-basketballs-relationship-between-recruiting-rankings-and-wins-04-17-2019/amp/


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Last years Virginia team had 5-6 Top 100 guys and 3 Top 50(Guy, Jerome and Diakite). They were well built with 4* players.


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[Old Friend]

54 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

We haven't seen how they respond to getting behind 10-12 pts. have we?

True, but where does that stop?  We also haven't seen how they respond to a road game, when Archie gets a technical, when we get in foul trouble, if we don't make free throws, if Al Durham has an off night, in an afternoon game with sun coming in the windows, etc.  Some of that can't be controlled by the schedule.  There was no guarantee we wouldn't be down by 10-12 with the schedule we've played.   And with a better schedule, there's no guarantee we WOULD.  This isn't a controlled environment.   

There are a million things we "haven't learned," none of which could have been controlled with the schedule.  A road game would have been good for them, but apart from that, everything's subjective.

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

We haven't seen how they respond to getting behind 10-12 pts. have we?

 

We will (and if we don't ... hey now!)