BGleas Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Heard some great commentary from Cedric Ceballos this morning on the radio about LeBron. He was saying that LeBron is of course a phenomenal player and one of the most all-around skilled superstars we've seen, but he has no "go-to" move. Jordan and Kobe both had the fadeaway. Stockon and Malone had the pick and roll, Kareen had the sky hook, Olajuwan had the dream shake, in Ceballos' Suns days they'd give the ball to Barkley in the post and he would go to work, etc., etc. LeBron doesn't have a particular move/shot to go to when his team just desperately needs buckets. He can post up, he can hit the mid-range, he can pick and roll, he can hit a 3, but he doesn't do any one of those things at a level where you can almost 100% rely on it and just have everyone get out of his way. It worked in Miami because Wade was really the guy they went to in those situations, but in Cleveland they don't have that guy. Alford Bailey, Naturalhoosier, HoosierAloha and 2 others 5 Quote
MadAboutIndiana Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 LeBron made a huge mistake leaving Pat Riley Quote
KB0 Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 37 minutes ago, biteoftheapple said: I agree that James is the best player in the gane today. For GOAT status I would put him in the top 35, at best. The problem in my mind, is the greats like Magic, Michael, and Bird, they made all that surround them over achievers. Lebron seems to polarize them. Top 35? He doesn't make the players around him better? Did you see the 07ish Cavs team he propelled to 60 wins and the finals? Never Daunted 1 Quote
mdn82 Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 People made comparisons with Jordan because they're stupid. Him and LeBron aren't the same type of players by any means and obviously their size is way different. Jordan was 6-6 200 while LeBron is 6-8 260. LeBron is more of a playmaker while Jordan was a scorer. LeBron also has to deal with the bums on his team and a so so coach. Jordan had Pippen which Irving and Love are about 50 levels lower than him. LeBron has been to 7 NBA Finals which is pretty freaking impressive. And considering 3 of those have been with Cleveland without another star next to him... that is even better. LeBron is still arguably the best player in the world and one of the best all time. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using BtownBanners mobile app You realize Scottie Pippen averaged 20 points 3 times when he played with Jordan. I watched many years of Pippen then watched him without Jordan. Jordan made Pippen. He is not a top 50 player without Jordan. So what does that say about Jordan? Hell, Jordan was so much more than a scorer. He was all defense every year. Leading the league in steals. I agree with BGleas though. The lack of a go to move hurts Lebron. His best move is use his body to get to the rim/foul line. His jumper is broke. WayneFleekHoosier, Class of '66 Old Fart and HoosierAloha 3 Quote
biteoftheapple Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 Top 35? He doesn't make the players around him better? Did you see the 07ish Cavs team he propelled to 60 wins and the finals? Yes to both inquires. But, did he and team win that series? Quote
KB0 Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, biteoftheapple said: Yes to both inquires. But, did he and team win that series? So, by your logic you can't make the players around you better unless that season results in a title? LeBron is a top 10 player of all time. Where he falls on that list, I'm not sure. For me, he is a better player than Kobe (as an example), but Kobe had the better career. I think those categories often get blurred into one. Andrew_114 1 Quote
BGleas Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, biteoftheapple said: Yes to both inquires. But, did he and team win that series? Should they have? Their second best player was Larry Hughes, and Drew Gooden was prominently involved. The accomplishment for that team was just getting to the Finals. Quote
HoosierAloha Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 It's remarkable that Irving was talked about as a top 3ish point guard in the league before the start of the finals but now he's a third rate point guard. Love was talked about having turned it around hitting a bunch of threes and really getting his game tuned up for the finals. The Cavs set records for made threes in a series that lasted only four games. Now they're all trash but LeBron because the baby faced Warriors are taking their lunch money money, driving them home taking their parents lunch money, and then driving to their parents parents and taking they lunch money too. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Alford Bailey and mdn82 2 Quote
sirhoosierlot Posted June 6, 2016 Posted June 6, 2016 WOW! I thought the Cavs were gonna make this a series. East is worse than i thought I guess. The Warriors are just that good. And a matchup nightmare for the Cavs. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
X-Hoosier Posted June 7, 2016 Posted June 7, 2016 It's remarkable that Irving was talked about as a top 3ish point guard in the league before the start of the finals but now he's a third rate point guard. Love was talked about having turned it around hitting a bunch of threes and really getting his game tuned up for the finals. The Cavs set records for made threes in a series that lasted only four games. Now they're all trash but LeBron because the baby faced Warriors are taking their lunch money money, driving them home taking their parents lunch money, and then driving to their parents parents and taking they lunch money too. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners I don't know of anyone that'd consider Irving a Top 3 PG. Top 3 in the Cavs division? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
X-Hoosier Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Buddy Hield goes 85 for 100 from 3 at a Boston workout. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using BtownBanners mobile app BtownBanner6 and WayneFleekHoosier 2 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I don't know of anyone that'd consider Irving a Top 3 PG. Top 3 in the Cavs division? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using BtownBanners mobile app You might be right, but funny to see this sitting here after last night's game. He was on fire. Cavs need to dump Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love. Both are overrated. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners Quote
HoosierAloha Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 You might be right, but funny to see this sitting here after last night's game. He was on fire. Cavs need to dump Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love. Both are overrated. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners In these playoffs where fouls are called at random Thompson has been able to do some work on the boards. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
X-Hoosier Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 You might be right, but funny to see this sitting here after last night's game. He was on fire. Cavs need to dump Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love. Both are overrated. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners Right? Lol. I still don't consider him. He hasn't yet learned both sides or the ball movement aspect. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using BtownBanners mobile app WayneFleekHoosier 1 Quote
KingPG21 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 LeBron sucks! Oh wait, sorry got confused, dude is still one of the 5 best to ever play Dalton26, Hoosierfan2017, HoosierAloha and 3 others 6 Quote
Hoosierfan2017 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 Steph got exposed this playoffs, imo. yogisballin and theriverpilot 2 Quote
KB0 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 LeBron's chase-down block on Iggy was something else. One of the biggest plays in Finals history. Naturalhoosier, HoosierTrav, Hoosierfan2017 and 2 others 5 Quote
Naturalhoosier Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 LeBron's chase-down block on Iggy was something else. One of the biggest plays in Finals history. I literally only watched the final 3 minutes and that play. Wow!!!! That was amazing to say the least. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
OliviaPope40 Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 The turning point of the series was when Green got suspended by the league so it was rigged. X-Hoosier and yogisballin 2 Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted June 20, 2016 Posted June 20, 2016 The turning point of the series was when Green got suspended by the league so it was rigged. [emoji19] thebigweave, Stuhoo, WayneFleekHoosier and 2 others 5 Quote
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