2025 IUFB Season

[AZ Hoosier]

2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

BigTen network is replaying the B1G Championship game again. Can't get enough of that game!

The Big Ten network was the game in 60 minutes thing. There's also a replay on FS2 right now.

[cthomas]

29 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Phenomenal amount of money spent on the football side of things. Wow.


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Needs to continue and increase. I love what we are doing in football right now and there's no reason why it can't continue with the proper investment. We need to ride this as far as possible.

[rcbowla]

1 hour ago, BtownStrength said:

I feel like next year schedule is tougher, no? Not nearly as many blowout potential, although the game at Michigan is looking better

I agree. OSU and USC at home. Roadies against UM, Nebraska and Washington. No clue what to expect from N. Texas. I think next year's schedule is tough.

[Bigred3588]

15 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

Notre Dame appeared to be peaking because they played no one since mid-September. I’d imagine our team would currently be drawing comparisons with 95 Nebraska and 01 Miami if we played Illinois and Wisconsin every week and ended the season with a +700 point differential. That’s Notre Dame’s schedule after the Miami game - fringe top 25 teams and absolute garbage (pausing here to bask in the fact that Indiana FB can now call Wisconsin garbage). But how does it make sense that Alabama has to play an extra game against a top 3 team, who they already beat, while Notre Dame, Texas A&M and Ole Miss sit at home, and for losing that game then Bama should be out of the playoffs?

And the whole “teams playing their best ball later in the season” argument has always been one of the more flawed and subjective metrics in CFB, even before the BCS. Why should Notre Dame’s losses and Alabama’s early big wins be discounted?

Notre Dame is more than welcome to join a conference and drop this whole special treatment charade. I really hope that USC cancels that series with them, which IMO is the linchpin to Notre Dame being iced out from playing the big boys as an OOC game, which will either relegate them to a third tier “G5” program that no brand name conference program plays anymore or finally forces them to join a league.

Notre Dame didn’t play Wisconsin (Bama did). But let’s say the early season games are given the same weight as late season games, despite the fact that the committee has historically shown that isn’t the case. ND lost its first game to Miami by 3 and its second game to A&M by 1. Bama lost its first game by 14 to a team that finished 13th in a conference that was won by Duke. Their second loss was respectable. Missouri, Tennessee, and LSU were all a game or two over .500, they looked like @$$ against SC and needed to be bailed out by the officials, and they looked mediocre at best against Auburn. Then they showed up to the conference championship and looked like the team we thought they were after the FSU game.

As far as the “teams playing their best at the end” argument being flawed, I’ll simply have to disagree. Do you think the IU team that played ODU in week 1 would’ve beaten OSU? I don’t. Some teams improve throughout the season, some stay the same, and some regress. The ones that improve are typically the ones that win the bowl games. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Love it!

[Brass Cannon]

9 hours ago, rcbowla said:

I agree. OSU and USC at home. Roadies against UM, Nebraska and Washington. No clue what to expect from N. Texas. I think next year's schedule is tough.

OSU and USC at home seems a lot easier to me than Oregon and Iowa on the road. 
 

UM is currently a mess.  Washington and Nebraska are both kind of meh.

We might not be able to blow as many people out but the hardest games aren’t as hard 

[Hovadipo]

[Lebowski]

I can officially say the top brass has finally taken the keys away from IUBB and handed them over to IUFB.  Buckle up folks and enjoy the sights and scenery of this beautiful ride.  

[Brass Cannon]

20 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I can officially say the top brass has finally taken the keys away from IUBB and handed them over to IUFB.  Buckle up folks and enjoy the sights and scenery of this beautiful ride.  

I’m confident if the admin sees potential in Basketball they will get resources as well.  Dolson got money for woody for his prove it year.  That from what I hear proved Dolson what he already knew 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

35 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

I can officially say the top brass has finally taken the keys away from IUBB and handed them over to IUFB.  Buckle up folks and enjoy the sights and scenery of this beautiful ride.  

Has that feel to an extent.  We won’t be poverty at IUBB, but top 10 resources is out (imo).  Maybe even top 20.  This offseason will be the second test of that.  The HS recruiting seems to indicate that 15-30 range.   

[Stuhoo]

38 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Has that feel to an extent.  We won’t be poverty at IUBB, but top 10 resources is out (imo).  Maybe even top 20.  This offseason will be the second test of that.  The HS recruiting seems to indicate that 15-30 range.   

Even with a giant alumni base and unimaginable success, football only now has top 20, not top ten resources.

I’m reasonably confident that Devries, like Cig, doesn’t perceive limitations, and like Cig, he is spending a larger than normal proportion on staff salaries.

A competitive budget is needed, but budget isn’t the primary factor for champions. People, process, and persistence is more indispensable.

[Lebowski]

Y'all, IUFB is by far the better product garnering the national spotlight (an exponentially larger light than the sport of basketball) and the top brass fully understand this. Finally. Hop on and enjoy this ride. Personally, I am looking forward to Memorial Stadium improvements and top recruits in the sport taking the time to see what 812 has to offer them. 

[rcbowla]

36 minutes ago, Lebowski said:

Y'all, IUFB is by far the better product garnering the national spotlight (an exponentially larger light than the sport of basketball) and the top brass fully understand this. Finally. Hop on and enjoy this ride. Personally, I am looking forward to Memorial Stadium improvements and top recruits in the sport taking the time to see what 812 has to offer them. 

There is zero reason both can't be in the national spotlight. No need to rob Peter to pay Paul. Fund/support both and be nationally relevant annually in both marquee sports in collegiate athletics.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Even with a giant alumni base and unimaginable success, football only now has top 20, not top ten resources.
I’m reasonably confident that Devries, like Cig, doesn’t perceive limitations, and like Cig, he is spending a larger than normal proportion on staff salaries.
A competitive budget is needed, but budget isn’t the primary factor for champions. People, process, and persistence is more indispensable.

True.

It’s not everything but it stacks the odds heavily in your favor. Takes dysfunction or lack of leadership to ruin it.

In a lot of ways , its why winning is sweeter without the “top” roster in football.


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[Pagoda]

I’m not really seeing any funding issues with IUFB and IUBB.  Whatever IUFB is getting Cig views as sufficient given he is staying here, which is all that matters (#20-25 resources in my guesstimation).  To start, CDD gets a huge operating budget and 10-20th ranked payroll for players.  In my opinion, the big question with IUBB isn’t money, it’s how good is CDD?

That said, IUFB is pretty clearly the priority and it should be.  It makes basically all the money and we’ve got an incredible staff operating at an elite level.  Cig will eventually retire, etc.  You’ve got to make hay while the sun shines.

[OGIUAndy]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Has that feel to an extent.  We won’t be poverty at IUBB, but top 10 resources is out (imo).  Maybe even top 20.  This offseason will be the second test of that.  The HS recruiting seems to indicate that 15-30 range.   

Sorry, but I don't believe this for a second. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Sorry, but I don't believe this for a second. 

Definitely ahead of us

1. Duke
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. BYU
5. Louisville
6. North Carolina
7. Kansas
8. St. John’s
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Michigan

Then the maybe list:

12. Alabama
13. Michigan State
14. Illinois
15. Houston
16. Florida
17. NC State
18. Tennessee
19. UCLA
20. USC.
An extra 20. Texas Tech

There’s 21. Could we be behind this group of 9 reasonably? Absolutely. I’d argue we are behind much of this group.

Others In contention

21. Texas
22. Missouri
23. Ohio State
24. Baylor
25. Washington
26. Miami
27. Texas AM
28. Iowa State
29. Gonzaga
30. Kansas state
31. Georgetown
32. Ole Miss
33. Oregon
34. Auburn
35. Memphis

Could argue a few from this group.

Maybe I’m missing some contenders.

I’d say confidently we aren’t top 10. I think 10-15 is possible but based on rosters this year I could see us below the 20 I named in this post. I think some of the contenders might have surpassed us too. Oregon, Texas, OSU, Washington has an expensive roster.


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[OGIUAndy]

26 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Definitely ahead of us

1. Duke
2. Arizona
3. UConn
4. BYU
5. Louisville
6. North Carolina
7. Kansas
8. St. John’s
9. Arkansas
10. Kentucky
11. Michigan

Then the maybe list:

12. Alabama
13. Michigan State
14. Illinois
15. Houston
16. Florida
17. NC State
18. Tennessee
19. UCLA
20. USC.
An extra 20. Texas Tech

There’s 21. Could we be behind this group of 9 reasonably? Absolutely. I’d argue we are behind much of this group.

Others In contention

21. Texas
22. Missouri
23. Ohio State
24. Baylor
25. Washington
26. Miami
27. Texas AM
28. Iowa State
29. Gonzaga
30. Kansas state
31. Georgetown
32. Ole Miss
33. Oregon
34. Auburn
35. Memphis

Could argue a few from this group.

Maybe I’m missing some contenders.

I’d say confidently we aren’t top 10. I think 10-15 is possible but based on rosters this year I could see us below the 20 I named in this post. I think some of the contenders might have surpassed us too. Oregon, Texas, OSU, Washington has an expensive roster.


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Sorry I don't really understand this "could" argument? Why would IU do this? So IUFB has success they are just going to gut their BB NIL? This is bordering on a straw man argument. 

[Stuhoo]

Hey all, a friendly reminder that this convo has completely veered into the basketball forum so pls take it there.

Thanks 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Sorry I don't really understand this "could" argument? Why would IU do this? So IUFB has success they are just going to gut their BB NIL? This is bordering on a straw man argument. 

No one said any of this. I said we might not be top 20 nil program in basketball. I listed schools as a mental exercise. It matches up. No one really knows.

The “could” be section was schools I’m not as sure about. I think we are ahead of most of those besides maybe Oregon, OSU, Washington, Gonzaga, Texas. Idk.


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