Adam Howard No Longer On Staff

[Josh]

Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

Not sure I agree. Sure CAM was a train wreck, but a lot of folks thought Archie could succeed here. Woodson was 100% a courtesy nepotism hire by Buckner, et al.

The people who thought Arch could succeed here were very wrong.  Clearly wrong.  But they don't like to admit it.

I mean, Woody is terrible but he's had much more success than Archie has

[AZ Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, Josh said:

The people who thought Arch could succeed here were very wrong.  Clearly wrong.  But they don't like to admit it.

I mean, Woody is terrible but he's had much more success than Archie has

Woodson's career win percentage at the time of hire was .463.

Miller's career win percentage at the time of hire was .688.

Woodson has done better in B1G conference games, but he also had the Cook's and Simons' checkbook in the NIL era. Archie did not have the luxury of paid mercenaries.

Bottom line: BOTH SUCK as coaches. Indiana should have/needs to move on.

[JSHoosier]

Just now, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson's career win percentage at the time of hire was .463.

Miller's career win percentage at the time of hire was .688.

Woodson has done better in B1G conference games, but he also had the Cook's and Simons' checkbook in the NIL era. Archie did not have the luxury of paid mercenaries.

Bottom line: BOTH SUCK as coaches. Indiana should have/needs to move on.

Woodson has won a game in the tournament, Miller can't say that. Although arguing which is better between those two is like arguing which hobbit is taller.

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Woodson has won a game in the tournament, Miller can't say that. Although arguing which is better between those two is like arguing which hobbit is taller.

This.  Archie never made it to the tournament, Woody has been twice and won a game.  It's not really close for me.

 

[Josh]

7 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson's career win percentage at the time of hire was .463.

Miller's career win percentage at the time of hire was .688.

Woodson has done better in B1G conference games, but he also had the Cook's and Simons' checkbook in the NIL era. Archie did not have the luxury of paid mercenaries.

Bottom line: BOTH SUCK as coaches. Indiana should have/needs to move on.

"At the time of hire" lol

[Uspshoosier]

40 minutes ago, Josh said:

This.  Archie never made it to the tournament, Woody has been twice and won a game.  It's not really close for me.

 

Woody has actually won 2 tourney games 

[AZ Hoosier]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Woody has actually won 2 tourney games 

so now we're counting "play-in" games? :D 

[go iu bb]

59 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson's career win percentage at the time of hire was .463.

Miller's career win percentage at the time of hire was .688.

Woodson has done better in B1G conference games, but he also had the Cook's and Simons' checkbook in the NIL era. Archie did not have the luxury of paid mercenaries.

Bottom line: BOTH SUCK as coaches. Indiana should have/needs to move on.

More money wouldn't have helped Miller be better. He was terrible. Worse than Woodson. Worse at coaching the team, worse at evaluating talent.

[Deserthoozier]

20 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Only if you like "yes men" surrounding you.  

“Hi, Armond Hill here! Let me tell you, Woody’s always right — I mean just ALL THE TIME! It’s just uncanny!!”   Quietly collecting my $200k of taxpayer funds. Best seat in the house and can still get a solid nap in, bout every game. My biggest strategy help…’just listen to Coach Woodson everyone!’

[Uspshoosier]

15 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

so now we're counting "play-in" games? :D 

Fans like  you I guess don’t but the B1G who got money for that win and the ncaa record books count it so……. Yeah a play in game counts.   IU has made 41 ncaa tourneys and has a record of 68-36.   Win 67 would be the one in the record books that you don’t want to count.    Contact the ncaa and tell them as a fan you don’t think it should count 

[Deserthoozier]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

The people who thought Arch could succeed here were very wrong.  Clearly wrong.  But they don't like to admit it.

I mean, Woody is terrible but he's had much more success than Archie has

Woody’s success has been linked to dropping big bags, to bring in last minute talent - and convincing TJD to come back - twice! Not game day acumen, team construction or motivation (ie coaching). Archie was neutered from Woody’s advantages from the get go b/c NIL wasn’t a thing yet, and the potential to play in under the table money was cut off completely b/c of his brother’s tie up in the FBI scandal at the time. Archie’s coaching chops left a tremendous amount to be desired as well…but, to say Woody’s the better college coach is stretching it. Much better talent, slightly better results - neutral coaching at best. 

[Hoosier Roots]

In 3 days this thread has generated a third of the total amount of posts in the entire 2024 IUFB thread…

[Eagle’s Rug]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

This.  Archie never made it to the tournament, Woody has been twice and won a game.  It's not really close for me.

 

He went to the Elite 8 with Dayton.  He sucked hard here, but was a much more successful coach than Woodson prior to being hired.

[LIHoosier]

2 hours ago, Deserthoozier said:

“Hi, Armond Hill here! Let me tell you, Woody’s always right — I mean just ALL THE TIME! It’s just uncanny!!”   Quietly collecting my $200k of taxpayer funds. Best seat in the house and can still get a solid nap in, bout every game. My biggest strategy help…’just listen to Coach Woodson everyone!’

I don't think Bernie has mustered enough energy to say anything with an exclamation yet alone 4 in a few sentences.

[ap2345]

11 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

So you are saying Dolson wanted CMW back this last off season? That QB and the mega donors didn't dictate retaining him?

It didn’t exactly go like that, no.

[ap2345]

5 hours ago, HinnyHoosier said:

#freeScottDolson

From where? He’s not locked up. 

[Josh]

18 minutes ago, Redleader said:

He went to the Elite 8 with Dayton.  He sucked hard here, but was a much more successful coach than Woodson prior to being hired.

Woody won an NBA championship as a coach with the Pistons.

So maybe we should focus on what they did at IU instead of anywhere else.  At IU it's not close, Archie was the worst coach in the history of IU basketball. 

[AH1971]

On 11/9/2024 at 2:59 PM, ap2345 said:

I was told there will be long term ramifications. There are players and other staffers that are not happy with this decision by Woodson 

Long term ramifications? Lol, like what? If this season falls apart because a junior level staffer was fired for undermining the boss then this team was never very good to begin with.

[IUFAN1976]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

Woody won an NBA championship as a coach with the Pistons.

So maybe we should focus on what they did at IU instead of anywhere else.  At IU it's not close, Archie was the worst coach in the history of IU basketball. 

It’s hard to compare apples to apples because NIL has bailed out Woodson’s inefficient recruiting high school players.  Without NIL, Woodson’s tenure at IU would’ve most likely been over because of his lack of recruiting high school players 

[AH1971]

8 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Dane Fife was right early.  Adam Howard was right late.  This is rinse and repeat of all of his teams. 

Yeah, Dane Fife was so right that he had multiple job offers lined up after his termination.

Just kidding, he’s working as a consultant at a risk management firm.