Adam Howard No Longer On Staff

[AH1971 1,446]

25 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Have you personally seen someone get fired for refusing to get documents from the printer? Sounds like a ****** company to work for, if so.

About 15 years ago, I watched our CEO personally walk the CFO out of our building. It later came out that the CEO asked the CFO to pay a utility bill on one of the warehouse properties we were utilizing. The CFO stated that wasn't his job and told the boss to have one of the admins do it. Sucked for the CFO because about 10 months later, the company sold for almost $300 million and enacted a bunch of stock appreciation and equity the CEO had built in for tenured employees. The CFO got nothing. 

[Chris007 43,567]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Who said it wasn't petty? But disobeying your boss, especially over something so trivial, is going to get you fired more times than not...especially when your job level is a low as Adam Howard's. Welcome to the real world kid!

He didn't get fired. They mutually parted ways

[AH1971 1,446]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

He didn't get fired. They mutually parted ways

So the backlash towards Woodson should be a nothing burger then? Lol...right. 

[Chris007 43,567]

5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So the backlash towards Woodson should be a nothing burger then? Lol...right. 

It seems like your multiple post on this is making it more than it is

[RaceToTheTop 24,940]

So basically Adam Howard isn’t on the staff anymore and everyone’s opinion on Woodson is what it was before Howard left.

ultimately, I think Woodson’s fate is going to come down to the result’s of this year’s team.  Everything else is just noise.

[OliviaPope40 6,445]

11 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

So basically Adam Howard isn’t on the staff anymore and everyone’s opinion on Woodson is what it was before Howard left.

ultimately, I think Woodson’s fate is going to come down to the result’s of this year’s team.  Everything else is just noise.

I agree with the second part but I think the noise right now shows who he is as a person and the culture that he brings.

[Josh 12,557]

I'm really having a hard time believing that Dolson tried to hire Howard after he was fired.  That would be a terrible business devision by Dolson.  Surely he's not that dense, right?  I'm struggling to believe that.

[Ryno6284 2,560]

Just now, Josh said:

I'm really having a hard time believing that Dolson tried to hire Howard after he was fired.  That would be a terrible business devision by Dolson.  Surely he's not that dense, right?  I'm struggling to believe that.

if they mutually parted ways it wouldn't be.

[AH1971 1,446]

3 hours ago, Chris007 said:

It seems like your multiple post on this is making it more than it is

This was a 200+ post thread before I even opened the damn thing lol, 95% of those posts with the same knee-jerk reactions from the same agenda-driven posters. Try stretching before you reach that hard next time, Chris.

[Trish 11,505]

5 hours ago, ap2345 said:

He'll be at another BIG school very soon. 

The best players from Indiana play at Michigan, UCONN, and Kansas! I hope he tweets that. 

[Uspshoosier 45,044]

1 minute ago, Trish said:

The best players in Indiana play at Michigan, UCONN, and Kansas! I hope he tweets that. 

Doubt he post anything negative about IU.  I’m guessing in the next couple years he will be back at IU on someone else’s staff 

[Josh 12,557]

25 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

if they mutually parted ways it wouldn't be.

Nope, it still would be bad.  If somebody quits an organization, they're unhireable.  

[iu eyedoc 1,849]

8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

This isn't undermining your boss? What am I missing?

 

So CMW asks him to separate two friends, 6th year seniors, and ardent CMW backers because they enjoy each others company too much and your take away is that Howard is the problem because he didn't want to fulfill such a petty directive. Not shocking

[Golfman25 5,004]

10 hours ago, AH1971 said:

This applies to every single workplace environment in America. If the owner or head of a company tells a junior level employee to do something and that said junior level employee gets caught talking s*** behind the back of the owner to another subordinate, he/she is going to be reprimanded, if not outright terminated. Something tells me this wasn't the first time this happened either.

Adam Howard isn't Kenya or Walsh or Yasir having a disagreement with the head boss over a scouting report or something of that nature. 

Depending on the nature of the issue, only if the owner/head is exptremely insecure.  They may have a discussion about it, but outright letting a dude go may be extreme.   

It seems here this was a man made controversy.  Woodson decides to move some lockers.  Rather than talking to the players and letting them know he decided to do it and why, he tells his staffer to do it.  Staffer is hesitant because it seems uncessary and he may or may not have gotten clarification as to "why" from Woodson. So he sits on it for some time, trying to figure out the best way to approach it.  He speaks to some co-workers, who proably say "just do it."  Mediocre Mike get's POd because it isn't done on his timeline.  Eventually AH gets the courage to approach the two players and instigate the move.  Mediocre Mike sits around stewing because someone "questioned" the great Mike Woodson.  Eventually it comes to a head, and AH is dismissed.  

Look any way this is "spun" it is stupid.  It's not like the kid challenged his substitution patterns, offensive system (or lack thereof), defensive system, or many other legitimate questions.  Part of being the head man is mentoring guys like AH and explaining the hows and whys of his thinking.  It's also taking input from the youngins who may be closer to the players than the head coach is.  Even if this was "insubordination" it hardly rises to an "offense" of anything as the job was eventually done.  Real Coaches would probably forget they even made the request because they have so many other more important things to address.

 

[IUFAN1976 2,782]

1 hour ago, OliviaPope40 said:

I agree with the second part but I think the noise right now shows who he is as a person and the culture that he brings.

Exactly what she said, which is the main reason why I and many on this board feel the way we do about MW!

[IUFAN1976 2,782]

Firing over this issue is petty.  At most he should have been taken behind closed doors and either given a verbal or written warning.  Firing someone over something like this is petty and going way overboard!  

[Stuhoo 79,703]

15 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Firing over this issue is petty.  At most he should have been taken behind closed doors and either given a verbal or written warning.  Firing someone over something like this is petty and going way overboard!  

And how do you know exactly what “this issue” is?

[AH1971 1,446]

27 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Depending on the nature of the issue, only if the owner/head is exptremely insecure.  They may have a discussion about it, but outright letting a dude go may be extreme.   

It seems here this was a man made controversy.  Woodson decides to move some lockers.  Rather than talking to the players and letting them know he decided to do it and why, he tells his staffer to do it.  Staffer is hesitant because it seems uncessary and he may or may not have gotten clarification as to "why" from Woodson. So he sits on it for some time, trying to figure out the best way to approach it.  He speaks to some co-workers, who proably say "just do it."  Mediocre Mike get's POd because it isn't done on his timeline.  Eventually AH gets the courage to approach the two players and instigate the move.  Mediocre Mike sits around stewing because someone "questioned" the great Mike Woodson.  Eventually it comes to a head, and AH is dismissed.  

Look any way this is "spun" it is stupid.  It's not like the kid challenged his substitution patterns, offensive system (or lack thereof), defensive system, or many other legitimate questions.  Part of being the head man is mentoring guys like AH and explaining the hows and whys of his thinking.  It's also taking input from the youngins who may be closer to the players than the head coach is.  Even if this was "insubordination" it hardly rises to an "offense" of anything as the job was eventually done.  Real Coaches would probably forget they even made the request because they have so many other more important things to address.

 

Three weeks to move a locker? Needing to consult other coaches for a simple request? Good god. 

[AH1971 1,446]

36 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

So CMW asks him to separate two friends, 6th year seniors, and ardent CMW backers because they enjoy each others company too much and your take away is that Howard is the problem because he didn't want to fulfill such a petty directive. Not shocking

I’m applying this to any other real world situation where there are consequences for disobeying an order from a superior. That’s life. Don’t like it? Quit. We know what path Howard chose. Every single person on this board has performed a task for a superior that they didn’t agree with at some point or another in their professional lives.

[IUFAN1976 2,782]

21 hours ago, 8bucks said:

Woodys best year was his second when we beat Purdue twice and fished 2nd in the BT. Not sure NIL helped that much then did it?  

No but it helped him fill a competitive team on paper with Ware and this year.  His first two years he inherited TJD from Archie Miller who was a far cry better player than he was given credit for, see where he was drafted.