President Whitten - 2024 Faculty No Vote

[Golfman25 6,819]

2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I think you have reading comprehension issues. This isn't about your conservative views, or anyone's liberal views, it's not politics, it's basic governance policies of a president who doesn't follow them. I'm done with your political vitriol, count me uninterested in your hysterics.

In other words the inmates want to run the asylum.  

[Golfman25 6,819]

3 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Tempers are going to flare on this one.  I've got STRONG opinions Re: Politics with IU and therefore try to stay out of all this stuff.  The 2 sides will not see each other's side and opinions won't be swayed.  

Nah.  Need a good old Royal Rumble cage match from time to time. :)

[Home Jersey 16,326]

Mods, feel free to delete/apologies if this breaks any rules, but since this is the de facto politics thread, figured I'd share here: 

If like me, you find blanket terms like "far left" or "far right" etc. to be a lazy way of describing the political spectrum (in the US or anywhere else), and ultimately more harmful than helpful in the way of bipartisan collaboration (you know, what those ghouls in DC are supposed to actually be doing... finding ways to get **** done for all us Americans) you may find the Political Compass of moderate interest.

It's been around since 2001 and is not specific to any country's political parties or elections, strictly about describing politics in more meaningful terms and pointing out the error of some common, but sloppy, political definitions.

• "Our essential point is that Left and Right, although far from obsolete, are essentially a measure of economics. As political establishments adopt either enthusiastically or reluctantly the prevailing economic orthodoxy — the neo-liberal strain of capitalism — the Left-Right division between mainstream parties becomes increasingly blurred. Instead, party differences tend to be more about identity issues. In the narrowing debate, our social scale is more crucial than ever.
• Nevertheless, the more nationalistic and authoritarian a party or individual is, the more ‘right-wing’ they’re still labelled. This, of course, is absurd. Taken to its logical conclusion, it means that the further left a country sits, the more socially liberal its attitudes are. on that basis, North Korea must be a shining model of human rights and social freedoms! Conversely, a country may be very right wing (ie libertarian) in its economics, and be authoritarian at the same time. Singapore is a perfect example."

Brief instructions/explainer below + link to the very short "test" (there are no correct/incorrect answers, only called a test so as to not be confused with an election survey or personality quiz). Some are surprised by their results, others not so much. 

• Before taking the test: Please note that this isn’t a survey, and these aren’t questions. They’re propositions. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are moderate. That’s how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass. Your responses should not be overthought. Some of them are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger reactions in the mind, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.

[HoosierHoopster 8,434]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

In other words the inmates want to run the asylum.  

In fairness there is some of that.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,310]

6 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Gentle reminder for everyone to tread easy.   

[RaceToTheTop 31,287]

5 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

In other words the inmates want to run the asylum.  

If employees are inmates, might want to consider how it’s run.

[Golfman25 6,819]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

If employees are inmates, might want to consider how it’s run.

Guess they never taught you the meaning of "figure of speech.'  

[RaceToTheTop 31,287]

30 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Guess they never taught you the meaning of "figure of speech.'  

I've read your posts in this thread and know you basically think workers should just shut up and keep their heads down.

Secondly, Indiana University is a public, governmental institution.  If you don't believe that people have the right to criticize the way that government is being run -- especially those that are privy to how it is being run -- we really don't have much to discuss.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

It’s amazing how much closer you are on specific policy if “left” and “right” are removed from the discussion. Starting a discussion understanding the common ground of basic principles you share with the “other side” can be incredibly helpful in understanding the slight differences you might have on certain issues. A majority of the political problems we currently face are due to a lack of communication. Checking your ego, choosing humility, and understanding triggers that turn you into an emotional wreck are important.

I think we can all agree life is precious and the taking of innocent life is immoral.

Likewise, rules are in place for a reason. We can choose to break them but must deal with the consequences when caught.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,310]

3 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I've read your posts in this thread and know you basically think workers should just shut up and keep their heads down.

Secondly, Indiana University is a public, governmental institution.  If you don't believe that people have the right to criticize the way that government is being run -- especially those that are privy to how it is being run -- we really don't have much to discuss.

Right... It's a public university... Who gets public funding... The public doesn't care for certain things that some at the university prioritize. Funding was pulled(which Written literally can't do anything about) because the government realized the public at large didn't care for that topic. Faculty throws hissy fit partly due to it, even though Whiten, literally can't do anything over it. She's just a university president. She has no power outside of that. As for the other part... Safety is a good enough reason. If there is anything else outside of that... It isn't being highlighted like those 2-3 things. At this point, it should be telling the faculty to get over it and move on.

[Golfman25 6,819]

10 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I've read your posts in this thread and know you basically think workers should just shut up and keep their heads down.

Secondly, Indiana University is a public, governmental institution.  If you don't believe that people have the right to criticize the way that government is being run -- especially those that are privy to how it is being run -- we really don't have much to discuss.

But for the fact there is a method for that via the Board of Trustees, the legislature, and the Governor, ok.   This “no confidence vote” is a temper tantrum by a small minority.   

[RaceToTheTop 31,287]

6 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Right... It's a public university... Who gets public funding... The public doesn't care for certain things that some at the university prioritize. Funding was pulled(which Written literally can't do anything about) because the government realized the public at large didn't care for that topic. Faculty throws hissy fit partly due to it, even though Whiten, literally can't do anything over it. She's just a university president. She has no power outside of that. As for the other part... Safety is a good enough reason. If there is anything else outside of that... It isn't being highlighted like those 2-3 things. At this point, it should be telling the faculty to get over it and move on.

Or maybe those upset about the faculty holding a no confidence vote that holds zero actual power should just get over it.  It’s amazing to me the amount of vitriol that had been posted toward IU administration when it comes to the status of the basketball coach but then when it comes to someone questioning how administration operates that works for said administration, they are throwing ‘hissy fits’ and should ‘get over it’.

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

I educated myself a little on Alfred Kinsey. Has there been an initiative to remove his name from the institute like Jordan?

[Stuhoo 89,848]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

But for the fact there is a method for that via the Board of Trustees, the legislature, and the Governor, ok.   This “no confidence vote” is a temper tantrum by a small minority.   

What strikes me is that, while only 900+ of over 3,500 faculty voted no confidence, with a vote that all knew was coming, less than 100 voted to support Pres Whitten.

No matter who is “right” or “wrong” (and the truth about those things is usually complicated) that seems to me that it’s a clear sign of an untenable situation.

I’d be pretty surprised if she’s President a year from now and I’m guessing she’s got her resume circulating.

[J34 1,639]

9 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

What strikes me is that, while only 900+ of over 3,500 faculty voted no confidence, with a vote that all knew was coming, less than 100 voted to support Pres Whitten.

No matter who is “right” or “wrong” (and the truth about those things is usually complicated) that seems to me that it’s a clear sign of an untenable situation.

I’d be pretty surprised if she’s President a year from now and I’m guessing she’s got her resume circulating.

So roughly 25% gets to dictate this decision? 

[J34 1,639]

1 hour ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Or maybe those upset about the faculty holding a no confidence vote that holds zero actual power should just get over it.  It’s amazing to me the amount of vitriol that had been posted toward IU administration when it comes to the status of the basketball coach but then when it comes to someone questioning how administration operates that works for said administration, they are throwing ‘hissy fits’ and should ‘get over it’.

Maybe we should give her a full 4 years, like the pro Woodson crowd says. 

[J34 1,639]

Where are all of the supporters of the women's movement on this? 

Indiana University has their first woman president(after over 200 years), and all of a sudden after not even 3 years on the job, people are saying she's incompetent at her job. In today's world, this would be considered sexism!

[IUCrazy2 2,978]

3 minutes ago, J34 said:

So roughly 25% gets to dictate this decision? 

Whitten gets paid to be the decision maker.  Ultimately if she chooses poorly, she loses her job.  The faculty putting pressure on her to make decisions based on their want to virtue signal don't hold the same level of accountability.  "She wouldn't listen to us..."  Nah, she heard you, she just thought that you were wrong.  She can read a room and is held accountable for her ability to do so, they aren't.

[Golfman25 6,819]

32 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

What strikes me is that, while only 900+ of over 3,500 faculty voted no confidence, with a vote that all knew was coming, less than 100 voted to support Pres Whitten.

No matter who is “right” or “wrong” (and the truth about those things is usually complicated) that seems to me that it’s a clear sign of an untenable situation.

I’d be pretty surprised if she’s President a year from now and I’m guessing she’s got her resume circulating.

It wasn’t a vote of confidence or “support.”  If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.  

[RaceToTheTop 31,287]

29 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Whitten gets paid to be the decision maker.  Ultimately if she chooses poorly, she loses her job.  The faculty putting pressure on her to make decisions based on their want to virtue signal don't hold the same level of accountability.  "She wouldn't listen to us..."  Nah, she heard you, she just thought that you were wrong.  She can read a room and is held accountable for her ability to do so, they aren't.

Or she can’t really read the room, which is why there was a vote of no confidence.