Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Find someone similar. Oh wait, we had McNeely who was probably as close to a Sandfort Comp as you can get and lost him. Wishing Hickman is anything like either of those 2 isn’t sound logic or scouting. Our staff hasn’t proven to be good at scouting so it all adds up. (Sparks, X, Durr, Ledlum…….).

Now when they realize we need to prioritize shooting we go after Perkins when we already have Gallo? 2 guards who can’t shoot.

FWIW Identified these rosters issues last off-season too when apparently our staff was too googily eyed to see them themselves that lead to this mess we are in now.


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I'm not on the Perkins train nor was I happy about the McNeely decommit.  

BUT Hickman doesn't have to be as good as either Sandfort (who, again, isn't in the portal) or McNeely to be valuable.  He can flat out shoot the ball.  And there is plenty of evidence about shooting being one of the most translatable skills from mid major to P5.

When I look at the four MVC transfers into the Big Ten this past year, I see four guys that all were starters, immediate contributors and didn't drop much (if at all) from their MVC numbers.

Lance Jones, Riencz Mast, Marcus Domask, and Ben Krikke all went from MVC schools and were solid players and double figure scorers at their new schools.  Domask was first team all Big Ten, Mast was third team and Jones was honorable mention.

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1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Reneau

MM

Galloway

Perkins

high level 1/2 guard who can shoot lights out is a lineup I can live with.
 

That’s 3 ball handlers and a stretch 4 who can space the floor. Galloway and Perkins can guard the perimeter and rebound well for their position. Bring in Hickman off the bench who can spell Galloway and add a defensive 5 (I like Ousmane from Xavier) and that isn’t a bad rotation at all.

I could get onboard with that, but don't believe Mike Woodson will. Potential drawback is Reneau fouling out before the second media time-out of the first half. 

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35 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Zero chance that poster was anyone on the staff and very unlikely he/she is related to a staff member unless said staff member did not tell them anything of substance.

NGW was never in the know and did miss on plenty. This person is obsessed with social media

Ngw just loudly reminded people when he was right and conveniently made excuses or ignored when he was wrong.  You didn't see Chris Ledlum on the court and you certainly didn't hear anything about McNeeley decommiting.  He was also very high on 'Queen to IU'.

What's great is that y'all know he's reading this as a guest and wants like hell to post about 'the lies I'm telling' which are only lies in his own mind.

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7 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I could get onboard with that, but don't believe Mike Woodson will. Potential drawback is Reneau fouling out before the second media time-out of the first half. 

As opposed to this year when playing the 4? Dude had 4+ fouls in something like 9 out of the last 10 games. Perhaps guarding quicker, more agile players that play out to the perimeter isn’t his game?

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39 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Just catching up but believe this is who they are referring too. Tagging/Adding[mention]Hoosierfanyuh [/mention] since he asked too.



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Wow dude’s a clown. 

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31 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Whew... that's definitely NGW lol

Tweets basically word for word what he posted here.

https://x.com/Tyme1299218/status/1766284730431938784?s=20

 

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2 hours ago, AH1971 said:

I would be floored if someone from the actual staff was posting on an anonymous message board. Then again it may be par for the course with this bunch, but I highly, highly doubt Jordan Hulls is wasting his time with us common folk.

I can confirm that poster was neither Jordan Hulls nor anyone on staff. I won’t say anything else - because frankly I don’t know much else - but I just don’t want that to gain any traction if anyone was thinking it lol. 

The closest people we’ve ever had to the program posting here to our knowledge are players’ parents, who chose to be known. Yogi’s mom (who was/is a SAINT), Troy Williams’ mom immediately come to mind. 

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7 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

I can confirm that poster was neither Jordan Hulls nor anyone on staff. I won’t say anything else - because frankly I don’t know much else - but I just don’t want that to gain any traction if anyone was thinking it lol. 

The closest people we’ve ever had to the program posting here to our knowledge are players’ parents, who chose to be known. Yogi’s mom (who was/is a SAINT), Troy Williams’ mom immediately come to mind. 

So you are saying Ngw is Jordan Hulls’ mom.

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9 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Come next Monday/Tuesday, there will be 4 teams left. To my mind, that means the majority of the portal will be fairly set by the middle to end of next week, with a few more late entries. With so many open spots, I just want to see some momentum soon... real momentum, not just a "nice back up." A roster upgrade in the backcourt is needed, to put it mildly (we need two starting guards IMO but not sure we'll get them). As for Perkins and Thornton... I'd definitely take it. Need as much shooting as we can get though. Don't know if fans have ever needed good news more desperately. 

I think the next 7-10 days are going to be telling at least for the guards. Several high level guys entered the portal this week that we desperately need to overhaul the offense. So far the biggest commits have been to teams still playing. Gonzaga and Alabama. I would really like to land Mack from Harvard. 

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11 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Reneau seems like an easy punching bag because of some head scratching things he does, but he does finish.  178 of 290 inside the paint is a solid D1 percentage (61%).  Average is at 50%, so regardless of him 'forcing shots up with 3 people surrounding him', he's making shots.

People seem to want everything from a player.....you want him to not only score but be more of a rim protector, a rebounder, a rim runner, and a passer.  EVERYBODY wants the guy you are talking about. Give me three of the guys you are talking about and I'll win a national championship.  

TJD was exactly that player.  
 

I will give you that, Reneau is a decent finisher at the rim, but he needs to get a whole lot better at recognition.

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11 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Reneau seems like an easy punching bag because of some head scratching things he does, but he does finish.  178 of 290 inside the paint is a solid D1 percentage (61%).  Average is at 50%, so regardless of him 'forcing shots up with 3 people surrounding him', he's making shots.

People seem to want everything from a player.....you want him to not only score but be more of a rim protector, a rebounder, a rim runner, and a passer.  EVERYBODY wants the guy you are talking about. Give me three of the guys you are talking about and I'll win a national championship.  

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

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24 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

TJD was exactly that player.  
 

I will give you that, Reneau is a decent finisher at the rim, but he needs to get a whole lot better at recognition.

He's clearly better than "decent" around the rim, though. 61% is silly good and 59% from 2 is excellent. TJDs best year, he was 59% from 2-- 56.6% for his career. 

TJD wasn't really that until his JR year, and didn't facilitate well until his SR year.  Terrible playing out of a double team and as a passer until he was a SR. 

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5 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

Complete crazy talk.  He gives us a chance. 

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9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

And he was a sophomore this year! People talk and talk and talk about how they want 4 year players and when we have guys like that we want them to leave in their second year because they aren’t complete basketball players yet lol 

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8 hours ago, AH1971 said:

As opposed to this year when playing the 4? Dude had 4+ fouls in something like 9 out of the last 10 games. Perhaps guarding quicker, more agile players that play out to the perimeter isn’t his game?

Guarding smaller players out on the perimeter isn’t his strength, but it usually isn’t for a big. Reneau gets in foul trouble usually over mental mistakes. Often he lets one bad play frustrate him and lead to a physical play where he often fouls. He did this all the time as a freshman and actually got a little better.  
 

As much as I want Woody gone, Reneau, Ware and TJD have gotten better every year under Woody and I expect that to continue.  
 

I think you’re probably not going to get your wish with surrounding him with 4 perimeter players, so the key will be what big they try and pair with Reneau. 

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25 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m with you on this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading people talk about letting Reneau go. He was an excellent post scorer and an automatic double team. He needs coaching, not a new home. If he leaves there’s 90% chance we’re replacing him with someone less effective. 

Are people advocating for that? My only thoughts are that he needs to be used differently if our goal is to win basketball games. His shooting splits are pretty insane for someone on a mismanaged roster. Using him and Ware at the same time clogged the lane. I want to see his passing improve-- but he needs shooters to pass to. When there is MM as the only reliable option from 3 the whole offense sorta breaks down. Whether it is coaching (I tend to lean here when it comes to not looking to pass out of double teams) or simply his vision needs to improve I don't know, but it is the most glaring difference between running the offense through him vs. TJD. The defense is also a conundrum, he is 5 in college but we havent been playing him there. I would guess some of the silly foul issues would be alleviated by not having to guard high major 4s and switching onto wings. Just IMHO. 

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I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

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2 minutes ago, HoosierHuddle said:

I had not looked at anything on here since yesterday afternoon and I was surprised to see quite a bit of negative opinion on Tony Perkins as a potential point guard option. He has faults in his game but I'm quite a bit more positive than most, it seems. The comparisons to Xavier Johnson are, in my opinion, way off base.

Perkins averaged 1.5 more free throw attempts per game than XJ, shot 79% compared to 68% from FT, averaged 1.8 more assists per game and fewer turnovers per game, doubled Xavier's steals per game, grades out much higher on defensive metrics than XJ and was nearly double XJ's points per game last season. In addition, Tony Perkins is considered a terrific leader and has no injury history, off-court issues or erratic on-court behavior like whacking another player in the groin. 

The perimeter shooting is a concern, no question. He is not a perfect fit. However, Perkins does offer several positive attributes that would make him an asset for the Hoosiers and an upgrade on the guard play IU had last season. Plus, he's actually in the portal and might be interested in playing at IU...something that can't currently be said about Belmont's Gillespie or Ohio State's Thornton.

Also, Hickman is 98th percentile nationally in catch and shoot three-point opportunities (credit to Tony Adragna for showing that stat). He's an asset for the roster. A starter? Hopefully not. A good piece for the roster and a player that could be valuable in helping IU win games? I believe absolutely yes.

All in on this.... and regardless of Hickman's catch-and-shoot ranking, he is VERY athletic. That was not his strength coming out of HS, he was not an elite shooter. SNEAKY athletic, especially for a 6'3 white kid. (if that offends someone, p*** off)... 

Connor also knows how to play the game. You're getting a TG-type athlete and a shooter that's better than Leal. 

You're right, he does not need to be a starter at the B1G level, but CH can absolutely play 15-30 mins on a successful basketball team. 

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I think we are a little too enamored with #s at times. We needed consistency and health more than anything the last two years out of our PG... Perkins has been very healthy. I'd take him and Connor in a heart beat and go from there. 

 

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11 minutes ago, btownqb said:

All in on this.... and regardless of Hickman's catch-and-shoot ranking, he is VERY athletic. That was not his strength coming out of HS, he was not an elite shooter. SNEAKY athletic, especially for a 6'3 white kid. (if that offends someone, p*** off)... 

Connor also knows how to play the game. You're getting a TG-type athlete and a shooter that's better than Leal. 

You're right, he does not need to be a starter at the B1G level, but CH can absolutely play 15-30 mins on a successful basketball team. 

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I think we are a little too enamored with #s at times. We needed consistency and health more than anything the last two years out of our PG... Perkins has been very healthy. I'd take him and Connor in a heart beat and go from there. 

 

Watch highlights on Hickman and you’ll bring surprised how many blow by hoops he gets.  He’s not just a shooter.

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1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Watch highlights on Hickman and you’ll bring surprised how many blow by hoops he gets.  He’s not just a shooter.

I won't be surprised at all brother. I scouted the kid in HS and coached against him. He's really good lol... unassuming as heck, but he can play.