They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007]

Just now, IU Prof said:

To keep certain donors happy. The thought being that one more year of Woody would do less damage to the department as a whole than burning that bridge.

Not saying I agree, just giving a reason...

I just appreciate the answer and you are correct I do believe they think that. 

[jbeaman9]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Let's play a game. If you are in athletic department and someone asked you to name one reason why Woodson should be brought back. What would your answer be? 

I haven't been able to come up with one

Archie got 4, so every coach for the rest of time must be given 4 regardless of other factors.

[ap2345]

Until Woodson is still the coach and putting together the roster for next year in few weeks I'm going to hold out a little hope that something else is going on. 

[Chris007]

Just now, jbeaman9 said:

Archie got 4, so every coach for the rest of time must be given 4 regardless of other factors.

I do think they think that in some fashion. Maybe not every coach but one of their own should get 4

[Home Jersey]

If there's one thing about Mike Woodson, it's that Mike Woodson is getting his 4 years. 

... Except with the Knicks. The Knicks only gave Mike Woodson 3. 

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

12 minutes ago, Ya Boy AD Scotty D said:

But wait, there's more...

this guy shows up yesterday spouting what I took as nonsense from a new poster....then Liam decommits....then he comes on this morning with this crap?  let's hear it scotty

[jbeaman9]

1 minute ago, ap2345 said:

Until Woodson is still the coach and putting together the roster for next year in few weeks I'm going to hold out a little hope that something else is going on. 

Can you share some of your kool-aide with me, please.

[TadQueasy]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I do think they think that in some fashion. Maybe not every coach but one of their own should get 4

In a general sense I would agree that coaches need 3-4 yrs to do their thing.  But this is in no way a general situation 

[Stuhoo]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Let's play a game. If you are in athletic department and someone asked you to name one reason why Woodson should be brought back. What would your answer be? 

I haven't been able to come up with one

I mean, sure! Not that they are convincing given the downside, but the collective reasons are:

• We just went through this three years ago. We cannot attract coaches and talent if we bail every year we see adversity.
• It would be arguably more expensive to dump him than keep him for one more year.
• Our highest level donors have strongly asserted that they want him back.
• He's two for two in tourney appearances, and this season isn't finished so it's remotely possible he could be three for three.
• All three of his teams have improved over the course of the season.
• He's made adjustments during each season.
• His best recruiting has been very late in each cycle.
• If a crap coach like Archie got four years, a more successful program legend should get at least that long.

Don't blow back at me -- the trend and what we've seen this year is no bueno, but you asked for the justification and there it is.

 

[Home Jersey]

2 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

Can you share some of your kool-aide with me, please.

That depends, are you willing to swallow the red pill and join my IUBB QAnon cult? 

We have cookies

[JF87]

I would think these next 14 days will be interesting.  I think Woodson definitely returns if we win against Michigan State and our first BTT game.  It could be a different story if we lose our last two.  Once the season ends, we'll see who enters the portal.  My guess is that most of the players will enter the portal or indicate their NBA draft intentions.  That means a total rebuild which will take 2-3 years if done properly.  Does Dolson really want to commit to Woodson for 2-3 more years? If a rebuild is going to be done, bring in an actual college coach to do it.  We've learned that an NBA coach learning on the job is not the answer.   

[jbeaman9]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

That depends, are you willing to swallow the red pill and join my IUBB QAnon cult? 

We have cookies

Red items usually have red dye 40 and that causes me to become even more irritable, so no, sorry.

I only take other colors of pills. Thanks for the offer though!

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

I mean, sure! Not that they are convincing given the downside, but the collective reasons are:

• We just went through this three years ago. We cannot attract coaches and talent if we bail every year we see adversity.
• It would be arguably more expensive to dump him than keep him for one more year.
• He's two for two in tourney appearances, and this season isn't finished so it's remotely possible he could be three for three.
• All three of his teams have improved over the course of the season.
• He's made adjustments during each season.
• His best recruiting has been very late in each cycle.
• If a crap coach like Archie got four years, a more successful program legend should get at least that long.

Don't blow back at me -- the trend and what we've seen this year is no bueno, but you asked for the justification and there it is.

 

I feel some of these are debatable though but appreciate the response. I knew you would give a nice thoughtful answer

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

 

9 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

Archie got 4, so every coach for the rest of time must be given 4 regardless of other factors.

Archie's incoming class in year 4:
 - Anthony Leal

 - Khristian Lander

 - Jordan Geronimo

 - Trey Galloway

Woody's incoming class in year 4: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

........

 

Fire Mike Woodson!

[Muskie for three]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Let's play a game. If you are in athletic department and someone asked you to name one reason why Woodson should be brought back. What would your answer be? 

I haven't been able to come up with one

He played for Bobby and stuff . 

[Kentuckysucks]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I do think they think that in some fashion. Maybe not every coach but one of their own should get 4

How blind are these people?  You don't give him another year just to give him another year.  There has to be solid evidence that things will improve. Makes absolutely no sense.  Do they not understand how things are likely to go and how ugly things will get?  Everyone including Woody would be much better off if they pulled the plug right now.

[Home Jersey]

Me when Scott Dolson shocks the world 

[CSP]

3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I mean, sure! Not that they are convincing given the downside, but the collective reasons are:

• We just went through this three years ago. We cannot attract coaches and talent if we bail every year we see adversity.
• It would be arguably more expensive to dump him than keep him for one more year.
• Our highest level donors have strongly asserted that they want him back.
• He's two for two in tourney appearances, and this season isn't finished so it's remotely possible he could be three for three.
• All three of his teams have improved over the course of the season.
• He's made adjustments during each season.
• His best recruiting has been very late in each cycle.
• If a crap coach like Archie got four years, a more successful program legend should get at least that long.

Don't blow back at me -- the trend and what we've seen this year is no bueno, but you asked for the justification and there it is.

 

The bold should have zero to do with any decisions that are being made in March of 2024. 

[HoosierMoore]

18 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I never go to their malls anymore

Simons are making Bezos is my ride or die

[Stuhoo]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

I feel some of these are debatable though but appreciate the response. I knew you would give a nice thoughtful answer

Lots of them are debatable.

But that's the counter-argument to "fire him now."

The counter to these counter-arguments is ... losing our next two followed by early mass portal defections.