They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[iu eyedoc]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

OSU's season has been disappointing. It won't be an aberration if we beat them. Their fans feel relatively similar about their team as us; high expectations and unacceptable results to date.

IU is now everyone's get right game

[Hoosier DaDa]

12 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

In short, she is an expert in how to make decisions that yield good results while at the same time purportedly working in a department that has consistently made decisions that yield poor results.

Don’t forget, I had to look up the word visceral to make sure I understood it correctly. Thanks Cathy for broaden my horizons.

[Scooter T Washington]

12 hours ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying right? I rather bring back Sampson.

Wade has lost 4 in a row.

[Hoosier987]

12 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

We don’t have a culture now unless you thinks that the inmates running the asylum, going out to bars the night before a game, going to the casino in the Bahamas instead of focusing in playing basketball, having an altercation at a drive thru, speeding excessively in a posted speed limit zone and trying to pin it on someone else and losing by double digits in every lose this year as culture then we need to change it!

I was going to say...different coach (Crean) but same issues. DUIs, getting arrested for entering bars underage, players running over other players, etc....say what you want about Sampson...but that dude has developed a tremendous culture at Houston. I've watched them play and if we could have just 10%,...just 10% of their toughness and defensive prowess, and culture they've developed we would be much better. Unfortunately, it didn't work out at IU but in terms of culture...it never has really worked at IU post Knight.  Stevens and May immediately change that imo.

[Scooter T Washington]

13 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

Never trust a man that carries a “man purse” because it shows he has too much baggage!

[Uspshoosier]

7 minutes ago, Scooter T Washington said:

Wade has lost 4 in a row.

Will Wade is rolling through the Southland with his roster of high major players he brought to McNeese.    I can’t stand the guy but he can coach.  They are 6-0 in conference 

[TadQueasy]

2 hours ago, ap2345 said:

Did I miss anything yesterday? I wasn’t about to read through all the Kathy comments 

I had a pretty funny post at some point, I would look it up. 

[Hoosier987]

11 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Understood.  But look where we are now.  You always want to have a better option before firing a coach if they have some success.  Not fire him, and then figure it out.  

No. A change was needed. CAM was an up and coming coach. He was the hottest ticket in the market. Unfortunately, just like Crean, Davis, Sampson etc...for one reason or another, it simply did not work at IU. 

[Trish]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I think it is a perfect match but I'm not getting my hopes up for like the 3rd time. I don't want to be let down by Brad and Kathy again

Brad is coming home Chris.. I’ll message you..

[CrossboneIU22]

11 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

Crean was a lot of things, but he actually worked extremely hard to try and clean up the mess he inherited, and he had a great respect for the University and our basketball program.

Let me re-phrase and elaborate: Crean was a great coach in most aspects except for the 40 minutes that count on the court. He was a very below average in game coach. Substitutions, schemes, adjustments were all very poor and he was so inconsistent that it led to his downfall. He won with talent and hustle but got out coached often. He was able to develop talent but his sporadic demeanor destroyed his recruiting relationships towards the end and it sealed his fate along with the poor in game coaching. But he understood what Indiana is and was and what it meant. He understood and loved this university for what it is!  If I could combine him and Sampson with their best qualities, you would have a hell of a coach. 

Edited January 16, 2025 by CrossboneIU22

[HoosierHoopster]

22 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I was going to say...different coach (Crean) but same issues. DUIs, getting arrested for entering bars underage, players running over other players, etc....say what you want about Sampson...but that dude has developed a tremendous culture at Houston. I've watched them play and if we could have just 10%,...just 10% of their toughness and defensive prowess, and culture they've developed we would be much better. Unfortunately, it didn't work out at IU but in terms of culture...it never has really worked at IU post Knight.  Stevens and May immediately change that imo.

I love Sampson - as a coach and basketball mind - but the culture at IU under Sampson was horrible, it was a drug and failed class culture, not sure what your age is or whether you were following IU ball then, but while the level bball under his coaching was outstanding (we were 24-4 when Sampsongate broke), the academics were in the dumpster, multiple players failing, drug issues and suspensions everywhere, we didn't get Cody's older brother then because his family wanted no part of that "culture."

I'm here in Houston, the program Sampson built here (after the lengthy show cause and having to coach in the NBA before he could come back to college) is, at least from a bball standpoint, fantastic. One of the best bball minds in the college game, hands down. Don't really know what the academics etc. are like for the players here, it basically doesn't matter to the Univ. of Houston, very different situation from a college standpoint. But do I wish he could have worked out at IU? If he could have adjusted to some basic academic requirements for the players, absolutely.

[Hoosier987]

7 hours ago, spe317 said:

We could rehire Adam Howard as interim just as a final stick in the eye to the current regime. 

I'm sure Howard was devestated when he was fired. Can't imagine what his thoughts are now. 

[IUHAHN81]

Man, one day on here I'm confident we're getting one of our golden boy choices, the next day reality sets in and I'm thinking we will have to go with a young, up and comer. May go to doctor and ask to be put on mood stabilizers. 

[IUFAN1976]

10 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

I was going to say...different coach (Crean) but same issues. DUIs, getting arrested for entering bars underage, players running over other players, etc....say what you want about Sampson...but that dude has developed a tremendous culture at Houston. I've watched them play and if we could have just 10%,...just 10% of their toughness and defensive prowess, and culture they've developed we would be much better. Unfortunately, it didn't work out at IU but in terms of culture...it never has really worked at IU post Knight.  Stevens and May immediately change that imo.

I actually like the Sampson hire there are others who were mocking Sampson having drug dealers on the team.  Personally, I like the way his teams play, they play hard and with a focus and toughness I have not seen since the Knight era!  It’s too bad that he broke rules and we gave ourselves the death penalty for something that is legal now, which make think why did IU have this holier than thou attitude.  Most universities would have slapped their coach on the wrist and have them go back to coaching and let the administration deal with the fallout but not IU, and yet here we are!  It is a good possibility that Sampson could have won a National Championship if he was still our coach at IU.   

[IU22]

If Brad takes the job this time does Mullins reconsider IU?

[HoosierHoopster]

18 minutes ago, CrossboneIU22 said:

Crean was an amazing coach in all aspects except for the 40 minutes that counts on the win loss record. 

Won 2 B1G championships, took us to 3 SW16's, nations longest #1 ranked team during his tenure, often one of the highest scoring Div I offenses, B1G COY. He wasn't a great bball mind by any stretch, but he opened up an offense that was a blast to watch, brought in and developed a long list of some of the best players to ever wear an IU jersey, and single-handedly took us back from a team that had 0 scolys and had to play baseball players, bottom of the Big !0, to a winning program with multiple NCAA appearances. He couldn't build consistency as he kept bringing in guys who left for the League without a core and then brought in multiple guys who had no business playing at IU,  and he wasn't on the level of coaching to take IU back to the top, but he was better than this - and if he was our coach now, we'd be so much better. Funny how that worked out with the terrible hire CAM and Woodson decisions.

[Hoosier987]

1 minute ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I love Sampson - as a coach and basketball mind - but the culture at IU under Sampson was horrible, it was a drug and failed class culture, not sure what your age is or whether you were following IU ball then, but while the level bball under his coaching was outstanding (we were 24-4 when Sampsongate broke), the academics were in the dumpster, multiple players failing, drug issues and suspensions everywhere, we didn't get Cody's older brother then because his family wanted no party of that "culture."

I'm here in Houston, the program Sampson built here (after the lengthy show cause and having to coach in the NBA before he could come back to college) is, at least from a bball standpoint, fantastic. One of the best bball minds in the college game, hands down. Don't really know what the academics etc. are like for the players here, it basically doesn't matter to the Univ. of Houston, very different situation from a college standpoint. But do I wish he could have worked out at IU? If he could have adjusted to some basic academic requirements for the players, absolutely.

Yup, I don't disagree about the some of the characters on the team.. I think he got in too deep with winning that season and unfortunately, that's what happened... He had recruited some high character guys the following year, who represented Crean's first years admirably (Pritchard, Roth, Elston) which tells me he knew he needed to infill the following year with quality guys. In terms of the grades though, they didn't fall apart until he was fired. The team saw the writing on the wall at that point. As you mentioned, it would've been great if it had worked...probably a couple of titles.

Houston is a very nice city. Seems like CKS, learned post IU and in the NBA. Their program is fantastic. 

[IUFAN1976]

4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I love Sampson - as a coach and basketball mind - but the culture at IU under Sampson was horrible, it was a drug and failed class culture, not sure what your age is or whether you were following IU ball then, but while the level bball under his coaching was outstanding (we were 24-4 when Sampsongate broke), the academics were in the dumpster, multiple players failing, drug issues and suspensions everywhere, we didn't get Cody's older brother then because his family wanted no party of that "culture."

I'm here in Houston, the program Sampson built here (after the lengthy show cause and having to coach in the NBA before he could come back to college) is, at least from a bball standpoint, fantastic. One of the best bball minds in the college game, hands down. Don't really know what the academics etc. are like for the players here, it basically doesn't matter to the Univ. of Houston, very different situation from a college standpoint. But do I wish he could have worked out at IU? If he could have adjusted to some basic academic requirements for the players, absolutely.

And that was never the option because he broke the rules on something that is legal now.  I think he would have changed.  It was year 1 and he brought those players in so he could start winning immediately.  Yes, they had issues but my guess under todays Transfer Portal and NIL, a lot of players aren’t going to class!

[CrossboneIU22]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

There's not enough season left for that

Ok, first one to make it then. Might still be a while though

[Hoosier987]

9 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I actually like the Sampson hire there are others who were mocking Sampson having drug dealers on the team.  Personally, I like the way his teams play, they play hard and with a focus and toughness I have not seen since the Knight era!  It’s too bad that he broke rules and we gave ourselves the death penalty for something that is legal now, which make think why did IU have this holier than thou attitude.  Most universities would have slapped their coach on the wrist and have them go back to coaching and let the administration deal with the fallout but not IU, and yet here we are!  It is a good possibility that Sampson could have won a National Championship if he was still our coach at IU.   

I would venture to say 1 or 2 titles. He's a Hall a Fame coach. I've watched a couple of their games this year...their team reminds me a little bit of our 2006-2007 team...he doesn't have the offensive talent or star power he typically does...but they play hard nosed defense and win games that I'm not sure other coaches coaching would. Coleman Hawkins couldn't do anything against them the other day. Double Teams flying everywhere.