They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Uspshoosier 54,601]

11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Are you intrigued/interested?

 

[IUHoosierJoe 2,159]

22 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

He wouldn't be at the very top of my list, but I do like him.  :)

[Chris007 62,614]

27 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

Yeah he makes my short list but only if several say no first

[go iu bb 9,875]

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

If the coach at New Mexico was named anything but Richard Pitino Jr I suspect this board would want IU to take a long, hard look at him. He's 66-26 over the course of the last 2.5 seasons and has a decent chance of being ranked here in the next couple hours. 

It's funny that you think it's his name people are opposed to instead of his dismal coaching record, including a stop at a B1G school. Even at NM, he's only won 64% overall and 52% of conference games. So I'm going to have to disagree with you that if he had a different name the board would think differently of him.

Or do you mean if he didn't have the FIU and Minnesota jobs on his resume? Then he'd be in just year 4 as a HC and, while having a decent year, not exactly setting the world on fire. So I don't think we'd be too enamored with him even then.

3 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Nah, he's proven time and time again he can't coach at the P5 level.

I'm not going to hold Pitino Jr's tenure at Minnesota at the ages of 30-38 against him in the sense that he doesn't deserve a P5 job again. He gained valuable experience at a tough place to win and is re-inventing himself down at New Mexico and has done a phenomenal job. He'll be coaching at the P5 level somewhere next year. 

Since you defended Woodson for so long, it's not surprising that you think Pitino Jr has done a phenomenal job at NM. He's having a good year but to say he's been phenomenal is quite a stretch.

But compared to Woodson, those numbers do look a bit better, I'll give you that.

Pitino has 3 more wins/3 less losses overall along with 3 games over .500 instead of just 1 in conference. So much better. I'll grant you that Pitino's teams are getting better while Woodson's are getting worse. But still...

[IU22 269]

18 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yeah he makes my short list but only if several say no first

Who??

[Eagle’s Rug 631]

4 minutes ago, IU22 said:

Who??

 

[Chris007 62,614]

5 minutes ago, IU22 said:

Who??

Whoever Stuhoo is talking about in his post

[Rico 3,587]

52 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

Quick question.  Does he have a hot wife?

[AH1971 3,397]

20 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

It's funny that you think it's his name people are opposed instead of his dismal coaching record, including a stop at a B1G school. Even at NM, he's only won 64% overall and 52% of conference games. So I'm going to have to disagree with you that if he had a different name the board would think differently of him.

Or do you mean if he didn't have the FIU and Minnesota jobs on his resume? Then he'd be in just year 4 as a HC and, while having a decent year, not exactly setting the world on fire. So I don't think we'd be too enamored with him even then.

Since you defended Woodson for so long, it's not surprising that you think Pitino Jr has done a phenomenal job at NM. He's having a good year but to say he's been phenomenal is quite a stretch.

But compared to Woodson, those numbers do look a bit better, I'll give you that.

Pitino has 3 more wins/3 less losses overall along with 3 games over .500 instead of just 1 in conference. So much better. I'll grant you that Pitino's teams are getting better while Woodson's are getting worse. But still...

He's 10-1 atop the best mid-major conference in the country about to be nationally ranked. 3 of his 4 losses have been by a combined 9 points. New Mexico's Net is 45 and they have a solid 8-2 Q1/Q2 record. He's doing much more than "ok" at New Mexico. The coach he replaced was 52-47 in the 4 years prior. 

Again, I'm not going to hold his lone year at FIU...at the age of 29 against him nor his time at Minnesota coaching in his early 30's where he at least had some decent success. Nonsense to think at 42 Pitino Jr has flatlined as a coach. Ridiculous actually. 

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1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Surely he's had offers in the 10+ years he's been at NW but he's still there.  Some coaches are very satisfied to stay in one place especially when it's close to home and where the pressure to win and the fish bowl isn't what it would be at IU with us "true fans".  That's not meant as a slam against your post just that not every personality is meant for the bright lights of Bloomington.

I don’t disagree.  I’m sure Collins is content and would only consider a handful of schools if he were to move on.   I think he’d do very well at IU, but that’s just me. 

[Henryville Hoosier 1,457]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

Grant McCasland ?

[RaceToTheTop 31,475]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Now that is how an IU coaching search goes. We thought we had Hurley and Oates lined up but instead, let me introduce you to Hall & Oates

Say It Isn't So.  That's so Out of Touch.

[Hoosier DaDa 3,770]

So I played in a poker tournament all day yesterday and didn’t pay attention to this thread. Today waiting in a waiting room for a few hours for my mother’s procedure. I’m just happy you all popped off 20 pages yesterday for my waiting room entertainment.

[IU Prof 2,372]

6 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

Grant McCasland ?

Great coach, but he's as Texas as it gets. I think he'd be a bigger long shot than Stevens.

[Hoosier DaDa 3,770]

19 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I guess my main concern is that when Steven's isn't hired it will come back as the administration was incompetent. People believe it is going to happen then when it doesn't happen they will blame people even though it wasn't ever a possibility.

What is your problem? Don’t you know the administration has already shown itself to be incompetent without Stevens’s rumors. Why you so worried about it? 

[steubenhoosier 1,916]

11 hours ago, Unexpectedflash said:

You or me are bad with numbers because i see 20 and 25 on kenpom. In his first year!!! I’ve watched most Michigan games and don’t think his guards are great which is the opposite of his FAU teams. I imagine that changes because he has a 5 star committed for next year

I did not use KenPom but another site. Can't remember off the top of my head which one

[LamarCheeks 22,223]

26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Whoever Stuhoo is talking about in his post

Woman: "I'm sorry. Who are you again?"
Fletch: "I'm Frieda's boss."
Woman: "Who's Frieda?"
Fletch: "My secretary." 

[Trish 14,505]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay - I have a mystery candidate to describe:

• Young - as in 'twenty five years left in his career' young
• Assistant coach to multiple P5 programs, including to multiple teams and programs that finished their season in the top ten 
• Has been a peer or mentored with/by multiple Hall of Fame coaches and two coaches that currently have Top 15 ranked teams
• Every job he's been head coach at for more than one year has had multiple 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney within two years of his hire.
• Very intense personality - teams are known for defense and three point shooting.
• Completely clean personal record
• Currently a complete success at a top seven or eight conference that has multiple ranked teams
• Will be in demand for top tier jobs after this season

Who is this mystery guy, and are you intrigued/interested?

There's only one man for the job.

 

[go iu bb 9,875]

42 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

He's 10-1 atop the best mid-major conference in the country about to be nationally ranked. 3 of his 4 losses have been by a combined 9 points. New Mexico's Net is 45 and they have a solid 8-2 Q1/Q2 record. He's doing much more than "ok" at New Mexico. The coach he replaced was 52-47 in the 4 years prior. 

Again, I'm not going to hold his lone year at FIU...at the age of 29 against him nor his time at Minnesota coaching in his early 30's where he at least had some decent success. Nonsense to think at 42 Pitino Jr has flatlined as a coach. Ridiculous actually. 

Nonsense to think I said he had flatlined as a coach. Ridiculous actually. I said he has improving. That still doesn't mean he's good enough to coach at IU. He seems like a decent mid-major coach, kind of like Alford.

Also, at what point in a coach's career do the results start counting? 30? 35? 40? Whenever it's good enough to support your position? Asking for future reference.

[AH1971 3,397]

9 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Nonsense to think I said he had flatlined as a coach. Ridiculous actually. I said he has improving. That still doesn't mean he's good enough to coach at IU. He seems like a decent mid-major coach, kind of like Alford.

Also, at what point in a coach's career do the results start counting? 30? 35? 40? Whenever it's good enough to support your position? Asking for future reference.

I consider his experience at Minnesota at such a young age more of a positive than anything on Calhoun or McCollum's resume.