They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[PartyintheVillas]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

That clear picture doesn’t include how Bob Knight was hired. To be fair, most of those same people, including the two principal players, were also responsible for hiring Lee Corso, something I’m sure you knew, given your background. 

How Bob Knight was hired is not relevant. That was over 50 years ago. It's like saying how George Levis was hired is relevant to how Bob Knight was hired. Is how George Levis hired also relevant to this current situation? Are we using the transitive property for hiring processes that are a half century old?

Edited January 15, 2025 by PartyintheVillas

[KathywithaC]

1 minute ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

you haven't been following the thread have you? there's been so many.  i'll give you time to scroll back through and read the many reasons given.  I don't know who you really are....I'm beginning to really not care, but if you're going to continue say the same thing over and over when others have offered counter points, then come back with a "no one has offered a thoughtful reason". get out of here with that Kathy.

I’ve followed it closely - No one has made a compelling argument, just emotionally driven ones. 

[AZ Hoosier]

16 minutes ago, steubenhoosier said:

Firing Woodson is neither a long term or beneficial decision. It's getting the cancer out as soon as possible so the healing can begin.

The season is over, for all practical purposes. 

Hell has frozen over. I finally agree with steuben... gonna go take a shower now... I feel so dirty.

[Napleshoosier]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

I will.  It’s only Jan 15.  This thing could go down hill faster than what you are thinking. I’m Talkin REALLY F’n ugly. You think those boo birds were bad last night? Just f’n wait!  There’s ur thoughtful reason.  You make NO sense!

[Chris007]

19 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

We’ve reached the “players are tweeting at Dakich” point of the season. Luke Goode should probably just stay away from social media..

What did Dakich post? He said his son told him to delete it

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

seriously, with all the help these players get, why don't they get like a 2 hour seminar showing them social media do's/don'ts and teach them to ignore all that crap when they aren't winning.  Just spiraling and then feeding the addiction.  Program should have policies to help in this regard.  

That guidance is regularly given to our players.

[KathywithaC]

Just now, PartyintheVillas said:

How Bob Knight was hired is not relevant. That was over 50 years ago. It's like saying how George Levis was hired is relevant to how Bob Knight was hired. Is how George Levis hired also relevant to this current situation?

Ah, now it doesn’t matter, even though the fundamentals of it are as relevant today as they were 50+ years ago. 

[Stuhoo]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Here’s the reason. Not saying it is so compelling that there aren’t counter arguments, but there is a real reason:

There are no good options right now. Given that there are no good options, the “less bad option“ might be to create a situation in which a program legend 65 year-old head coach doesn’t get the living **** booed out of him during every home game. That is deflating for the fan base, humiliating for Coach Woodson, and extraordinarily demoralizing for the players.

 

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’ve followed it closely - No one has made a compelling argument, just emotionally driven ones. 

Good lord.

[PartyintheVillas]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Ah, now it doesn’t matter, even though the fundamentals of it are as relevant today as they were 50+ years ago. 

Bob Knight would not succeed at Indiana University as the basketball coach in 2025. Am I talking to an old man yelling at the moon?

[KathywithaC]

1 minute ago, Napleshoosier said:

I will.  It’s only Jan 15.  This thing could go down hill faster than what you are thinking. I’m Talkin REALLY F’n ugly. You think those boo birds were bad last night? Just f’n wait!  There’s ur thoughtful reason.  You make NO sense!

You’re making my point for me - this is all EMOTION. I get that, since I hate the losing, too. It’s just not, in my opinion, a great way to make decisions, though I realize many disagree. 

[Mr. Hoosier Pride]

My God, I hope Kathy isn't really someone in charge of our "processes".  

[MrBBall]

4 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’ve followed it closely - No one has made a compelling argument, just emotionally driven ones. 

My thinking is monetary and the brand. Two things. First is that you will lose good money if this goes south quickly. Apathy, lack of butts in seats, concession sales. 
 

Secondly, the brand. As someone else stated, you can’t have boos raining down during the Michigan game, or chants of “we want Dusty” as Woody just sits there. Being embarrassed on national tv, which IU has a few more to go through, with a former player on the sidelines. 
 

Cut bait now, and you at least give the discourse to be “what are the options next” versus “look at this pathetic display”. 
 

point being the narrative changes and that has both monetary value and brand value. 

Edited January 15, 2025 by MrBBall

[HoosierTrav]

1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

What benefit to the program would exist by firing him now? How would that improve the program in the near term, which is the only real impact it would have. Would we be more competitive? Win more games? Serve the interests of the players?

I hear what you’re saying, Kathy, and I truly don’t want to come off as combative either. I just think it’s important to consider the fanbase in all of this too. Fans invest so much emotionally, financially, and in terms of time, and they deserve some sense of hope and direction for the future.

If Coach Woodson were to announce an early retirement, it could actually bring some relief—not just for fans, but for the players as well. It shifts the narrative away from the struggles of the season and toward rebuilding and optimism. I think it could ease the pressure on the players by creating an environment where they can play freely, knowing the expectations for the rest of the season are reset. For those considering their next steps, it’s an opportunity to focus on showcasing their abilities without the weight of the current situation hanging over them.

It’s not about disrespecting Coach Woodson, nor the players but about setting a new tone that benefits everyone involved—players, fans, and the program alike.

 

 

[Papacap]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’ve followed it closely - No one has made a compelling argument, just emotionally driven ones. 

How about to demonstrate that these results are beyond unacceptable, to remove the toxicity that will surely be at home games here on out and maybe win games against good team? Or at least, not get blown out?

This isn't difficult to understand. 

[KathywithaC]

Just now, PartyintheVillas said:

Bob Knight would not succeed at Indiana University as the basketball coach in 2025. Am I talking to an old man yelling at the moon?

No, you’re talking to someone who sees you moving the goalposts. I get the visceral responses from you, so vent to your heart’s content. We’ll see what happens.

[Hoosierfan2017]

9 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No one has offered a thoughtful reason to replace him now, which is why it makes little sense. 

I don’t care if they replace him now or not. This season’s fate was sealed when the “process” dictated that he be given a fourth season. But there’s really absolutely no reason not to make a “Coach Woodson is retiring at the end of the year” announcement now. We’d all know that it’s BS and that it’s really a firing, but it’d let Woodson leave with his ego intact and avoid the fanbase hating him. 

[PartyintheVillas]

Cashy is providing some great entertainment for me on a day where the work VPN is down. 
The process is perfect, but also mostly it's been bad hires
Every argument Cashy doesn't like is only emotional

[KathywithaC]

1 minute ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

My God, I hope Kathy isn't really someone in charge of our "processes".  

When were you a student - athlete at IU? Genuinely interested in this.

[Muskie plays the four]

5 minutes ago, Napleshoosier said:

I will.  It’s only Jan 15.  This thing could go down hill faster than what you are thinking. I’m Talkin REALLY F’n ugly. You think those boo birds were bad last night? Just f’n wait!  There’s ur thoughtful reason.  You make NO sense!

Catch a thirty piece with Purdue yikes 

[KathywithaC]

Just now, PartyintheVillas said:

Cashy is providing some great entertainment for me on a day where the work VPN is down. 
The process is perfect, but also mostly it's been bad hires
Every argument Cashy doesn't like is only emotional

When did you graduate from IU?