They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AZ Hoosier]

4 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

Do you honestly believe Woodson wants his legacy to be that he helped run our storied basketball program into the ground and that, as long as he’s well paid, he’s fine? Do you really not understand that he loves IU and all it did for him? Do you really not understand the same about Buckner, who’s been associated with the University for over 50 years? I get that people are disappointed that the program hasn’t elevated to a national level, but some of the stuff mentioned here is really outlandish and nonsensical. Woodson will either get things going or he’ll get pushed out. Why is that so difficult for people to comprehend?

Maybe not in those words... but I truly believe that Mike Woodson is interested in trying to salvage his reputation far more than saving the basketball program and/or the university. 

I honestly believe that if Woodson really wanted to right the ship and save the program that he would avail himself of every tool in the toolbox. But he refuses... he avoided Matta like the plague because he thought/feared that Matta was Dolson's spy. He drove Fife away and surrounded himself with his NBA buddies, none of whom (including Woodson) had any college experience. He has allowed his ego to drive the train, and it is seriously off the track and headed for the ravine.

Woodson bristles at any help or suggestion that doesn't come from his brain trust because he thinks that he knows best. He's failed at almost every turn, but continues to dig his heels in with crap like "I did my job" and labeling those who disagree with his tactics as "not true fans".

As for Woodson getting things back on track or get out of the way, well, he's failed miserably at that too. He refuses to do any serious recruiting, has made no attempt to reach out to the high school and AAU coaches in Indiana and has decided to rely totally on benefactors buying him a team... but he still can't coach. Instead we get platitudes like "getting them over the hump", "they're new and need to get to know one another"  and "gotta work harder". 

He's beaten the same drum for 3+ years with pathetic results.

And Quinn Buckner has done nothing but enable Woodson to get rich from the IU coffers.

[KathywithaC]

10 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Fire the loser that wasn’t good enough to get an interview at IUPUI

Fire him now?

[Uspshoosier]

20 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

And all because we had a really lousy weekend in the Bahamas?

Just guessing here but probably because IU has had a lousy 4 years with a head coach that had 0 college basketball coaching experience when hired for a college basketball program would be why some might be upset.  Just a guess though 

[Uspshoosier]

14 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What’s your solution?

What’s yours 

[KathywithaC]

10 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

What are you talking about, it is all 100% fact.  You yourself earlier said Woodson doesn't put in the hours that Cig does.  What college lifers has he brought in to help?  Zero, zilch, nada, nothing.  He brought his Pro buddy Armond hill instead.  And did he not say we are not "true fans" at last year's senior night?  That's 100% true.  Come on man.  

No, he doesn’t work as hard as Cig, but that’s only one issue. You know who did? Tom Crean. You want him back?

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

You want him back?

In the NIL era? Over Woodson? Absolutely 

[KathywithaC]

7 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Are you kidding me?  First, it prevents a hostile fan base.  The fans are looking forward knowing there is light at the end of the Woodson tunnel.  IU looks good taking care of "their guy" giving him a "hero's" send off.  

It then allows Doslon to get to work and find the next Cig, so the program can hit the ground running full speed in April and the portal opens up, HS recruiting decisions are made, etc.  

None of that would transpire the way you’ve sketched it out. And the only “hostile” fans aren’t really worth appeasing if building the program back up is the goal.

[BA47591]

This is his best. He has to know that it's not good enough. Is he so delusional that he can't see how bad this looks. Watching Louisville film, how did he think he could compete with that? 

 

[Muskie plays the four]

Just now, Uspshoosier said:

In the NIL era? Over Woodson? Absolutely 

They would score and be fun to watch. If nothing else. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

14 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

What’s your solution?

Fire Mike Woodson? I mean, it’s not rocket science. He’s clearly neither the short-term nor the long-term solution for IU basketball. He was supposed to be the “bridge” guy, but he has burned the bridge down. With IU’s NIL resources there’s no reason we can’t be an elite program. The only thing standing in the program’s way is the 66 year old head coach who’d rather get pizza with the fellas than meet with recruits. 

[Pagoda]

33 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Do you honestly believe Woodson wants his legacy to be that he helped run our storied basketball program into the ground and that, as long as he’s well paid, he’s fine? Do you really not understand that he loves IU and all it did for him? Do you really not understand the same about Buckner, who’s been associated with the University for over 50 years? I get that people are disappointed that the program hasn’t elevated to a national level, but some of the stuff mentioned here is really outlandish and nonsensical. Woodson will either get things going or he’ll get pushed out. Why is that so difficult for people to comprehend?

The mask is off.  Now we see your agenda.

I'm just looking at Mike and Quinn's actions.  It's been 3.5 years.  Unfortunately, it's clear they're in it for themselves.  

Of course Mike will get pushed out, the question is when.  It should have been last year.  But, IUBB exists to serve Mike, so who knows how much longer this goes on.

I get you like Mike and Quinn, but it hasn't worked out and IUBB should come first.

[AZ Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No, he doesn’t work as hard as Cig, but that’s only one issue. You know who did? Tom Crean. You want him back?

If I had a choice between Woodson and Crean, I'd take Crean in a heartbeat... especially given the NIL/portal option with IU's resources.

[KathywithaC]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Just guessing here but probably because IU has had a lousy 4 years with a head coach that had 0 college basketball coaching experience when hired for a college basketball program would be why some might be upset.  Just a guess though 

I get that people want to win and that it’s not happening. They’re the same people that loved Crean and that thought Archie Miller was the right choice, as well. Hard to put much stock in what they say.

[tyappleg]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

No, he doesn’t work as hard as Cig, but that’s only one issue. You know who did? Tom Crean. You want him back?

Crean has his problems, but he sure as hell had more success than Woodson has had at IU. 

[KathywithaC]

2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

In the NIL era? Over Woodson? Absolutely 

You obviously didn’t follow the program at that time. 

[go iu bb]

25 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Do you honestly believe Woodson wants his legacy to be that he helped run our storied basketball program into the ground and that, as long as he’s well paid, he’s fine? Do you really not understand that he loves IU and all it did for him? Do you really not understand the same about Buckner, who’s been associated with the University for over 50 years? I get that people are disappointed that the program hasn’t elevated to a national level, but some of the stuff mentioned here is really outlandish and nonsensical. Woodson will either get things going or he’ll get pushed out. Why is that so difficult for people to comprehend?

He is helping run the program into the ground and apparently he doesn't care enough to put in the work to actually change course.

His scheme sucks and he refuses to change it. The game planning looks terrible time after time so the team often looks unprepared. The players look undisciplined. The players look unmotivated. HS recruiting is almost non-existent. 

Getting blown out by teams with a pulse. Closer than they should be games against lesser teams.

Those things take time and effort. Just looking at those things gives the impression that that effort isn't being made. Then there are the many stories which back that up. Hell, after a loss a picture was posted that night of him sitting around with his buddies smoking cigars and drinking wine which gives the appearance that the losses don't bother him.

When we lose, we get the same excuses over and over again which indicates that there isn't any real assessment being done of what is going wrong and how to fix it.

So what is he doing that shows he actually loves the program and doesn't want his legacy to be a bad one? I don't see it.

As for Buckner, is he not watching the games? Is he no longer able to tell the difference between good basketball and bad basketball? The problems with the team should be obvious as they're the same problems that have plagued them for the first 3 years under Woodson.

[KathywithaC]

Just now, tyappleg said:

Crean has his problems, but he sure as hell had more success than Woodson has had at IU. 

Crean was no better than Woodson as a coach and he squandered far more talented teams than MW has been able to assemble.

[KathywithaC]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Fire Mike Woodson? I mean, it’s not rocket science. He’s clearly neither the short-term nor the long-term solution for IU basketball. He was supposed to be the “bridge” guy, but he has burned the bridge down. With IU’s NIL resources there’s no reason we can’t be an elite program. The only thing standing in the program’s way is the 66 year old head coach who’d rather get pizza with the fellas than meet with recruits. 

Fire him today and remove any chance of a successful season?

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

You obviously didn’t follow the program at that time. 

Let’s compare their year 4s.  Watshot or whatever we are seeing now. Hmmm

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Fire him today and remove any chance of a successful season?

There’s no chance