They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, Juwan Moye said:

Fair enough, I’ll rephrase:

For the people defending Woodson, what should expectations be for the season? What is good enough where he should be our coach for the following year versus what should get him fired?

 

Compete for a B10 championship and make the 2nd weekend of the tournament. From there, anything can happen. 

Missing the tournament altogether should be an automatic termination. Underachieving throughout the regular season and losing in R1 as an 8-12 seed and I'd probably agree that it's time to move on. 

[Hovadipo]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Compete for a B10 championship and make the 2nd weekend of the tournament. From there, anything can happen. 

Missing the tournament altogether should be an automatic termination. Underachieving throughout the regular season and losing in R1 as 8-12 seed I'd probably agree that it's time to move on. 

Seems like this is where a lot of "sunshine pumpers" land (or at least something along these lines, tough to come up with concrete expectations in May), yet the division here would lead you to believe otherwise. It's really strange.

[go iu bb]

23 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Compete for a B10 championship and make the 2nd weekend of the tournament. From there, anything can happen. 

Missing the tournament altogether should be an automatic termination. Underachieving throughout the regular season and losing in R1 as an 8-12 seed and I'd probably agree that it's time to move on. 

You'd be okay with a 5-7 seed? You said that this roster dwarfs that of the team which got a 4 seed. Seems like a 4 seed should be the floor of acceptable seeding and he should be shown the door if they can't get at least that.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

I didn't like this argument then and I don't like it now.

You can't make something that doesn't exist. There wasn't even a selection for that non-existent tournament. 

From what I remember, they were very much a bubble team entering the B1GT. They won a couple of games which people thought were enough to get them into the tournament but it wasn't a sure thing since teams like that get left out quite often.

You can say he would likely have made it but the fact remains that he made exactly 0 NCAA tournaments while at IU.

No really, there was no question whatsoever. The record and selection was clear, it just didn't happen. 

Honestly it doesn't matter -- I mean who gives a damn? -- CAM was a bad coach, I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise, and that's the context of this point anyway. He made -- or to satisfy the concern here -- clearly would have made the tournament once, but for Covid. The Technical argument he didn't, because of Covid, is lost on me. It doesn't matter either way, he sucked.

[AH1971]

12 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

You'd be okay with a 5-7 seed? You said that this roster dwarfs that of the team which got a 4 seed. Seems like a 4 seed should be the floor of acceptable seeding and he should be shown the door if they can't get at least that.

I would not Fire Mike Woodson if his team received a 5 seed, no. Would a 6-7 seed mirror some disappointment? Yes most likely, not sure it would warrant an automatic termination though. The question you asked is completely different from the one I answered. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

3 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

No, he made the tourney the covid year, there was no question but it got cancelled with covid. 

Selection Sunday never happened. Saying he made the tourney is just guessing.

[IUHoosierJoe]

11 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Selection Sunday never happened. Saying he made the tourney is just guessing.

Correct.  He also didn’t miss the tournament all four years, as others like to say.  He missed three of them and one was cancelled.

[Hoosierfan2017]

50 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

You'd be okay with a 5-7 seed? You said that this roster dwarfs that of the team which got a 4 seed. Seems like a 4 seed should be the floor of acceptable seeding and he should be shown the door if they can't get at least that.

The expectations the pumpers are putting out do not align with how they’re characterizing this off-season, I.e., that Woodson did so awesome and knocked it our of the park. The expectations should be a 1, 2, or, at worst, a 3 seed. They don’t want to set the expectations too high, though, because they know Woodson isn’t a good enough coach to meet high expectations. So, they temper them so they can then turn around and advocate for keeping Woodson next year because hey, he set the mediocre expectations we set. 

[AH1971]

12 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The expectations the pumpers are putting out do not align with how they’re characterizing this off-season, I.e., that Woodson did so awesome and knocked it our of the park. The expectations should be a 1, 2, or, at worst, a 3 seed. They don’t want to set the expectations too high, though, because they know Woodson isn’t a good enough coach to meet high expectations. So, they temper them so they can then turn around and advocate for keeping Woodson next year because hey, he set the mediocre expectations we set. 

Lol.

I literally posted my expectations for the season. I also answered what I thought would warrant a termination. Ultimately, it's not an either/or situation. Would I be happy with a 6-7 seed? Probably not. Would I act like a child and yell "Fire Woodson" in every post for 3+ months? I don't think I would. My expectations for this upcoming have nothing to do with the direction Indiana ultimately goes in regards to Woodson. I just know he's not getting fired if he's a 5 or 6 seed in the coming tournament. 

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Compete for a B10 championship and make the 2nd weekend of the tournament. From there, anything can happen. 

Missing the tournament altogether should be an automatic termination. Underachieving throughout the regular season and losing in R1 as an 8-12 seed and I'd probably agree that it's time to move on. 

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Lol.

I literally posted my expectations for the season. I also answered what I thought would warrant a termination. Ultimately, it's not an either/or situation. Would I be happy with a 6-7 seed, probably not. Would I act like a child and yell "Fire Woodson" with every post for 3+ months? I don't think I would. My expectations for this upcoming have nothing to do with the direction Indiana ultimately does in regards to Woodson. 

 

Instead, you’ll be in here yelling at all the people saying Fire Woodson like you have been for the past 3+ months.

Like I said, set the expectations low enough that even Mike Woodson can meet them. There’s no reason the expectations shouldn’t be higher than what the 2022/2023 team did. 

[AH1971]

13 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Instead, you’ll be in here yelling at all the people saying Fire Woodson like you have been for the past 3+ months.

Like I said, set the expectations low enough that even Mike Woodson can meet them. There’s no reason the expectations shouldn’t be higher than what the 2022/2023 team did. 

Wow....reading isn't your thing is it? I was asked a simple question

4 hours ago, Juwan Moye said:

Fair enough, I’ll rephrase:

For the people defending Woodson, what should expectations be for the season? What is good enough where he should be our coach for the following year versus what should get him fired?

 

I answered it. Competing for a B10 championship should net a 1-4 seed with that seed ultimately depending on how strong the conference is and how well IU performs in the non-conference. That is my expectation for the upcoming season. I don't think that's a low bar. But I'm also a realist, Mike Woodson isn't getting fired if he makes the tournament as a 5, 6 or 7 seed, just putting that to rest now. It may be enough for him to retire on a semi-high note, but no sane administration is going to fire a coach who has taken a team to the tournament in 3/4 seasons, and I don't care what school it is. It would be of my personal opinion to move on from Woodson if he misses the tournament altogether or underachieves in the regular season to the point the team receives a low seed and loses in the first round, but again my opinion alone. Never said I would be ok with a 5, 6, 7 seed as the other poster so eloquently put it, but it wouldn't put me in the Fire Woodson camp.  

Sorry to the rest if this is repetitive but hopefully your brain reciprocates this go-around.

[Uspshoosier]

[Chris007]

3 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

I am not a Woodson defender. I called for his firing last season like everyone else in this thread. Having said that, he is currently our coach, and he did "win" the off-season. No one can realistically say he didn't. Having said that, with this roster he needs to finish in top 4 of 5 the newly aligned conference, and at the very least Sweet 16 in NCAA, if not further.

I will support the whole team, including CMW, next year. If CMW doesn't achieve what I said above, I will once again call for his firing.

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Now the expectation of a good season is finishing 4th or 5th in our conference. Wow the bar has lowered. 

[Chris007]

This place is a shell of its former self. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

22 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Wow....reading isn't your thing is it? I was asked a simple question

I answered it. Competing for a B10 championship should net a 1-4 seed with that seed ultimately depending on how strong the conference is and how well IU performs in the non-conference. That is my expectation for the upcoming season. I don't think that's a low bar. But I'm also a realist, Mike Woodson isn't getting fired if he makes the tournament as a 5, 6 or 7 seed, just putting that to rest now. It may be enough for him to retire on a semi-high note, but no sane administration is going to fire a coach who has taken a team to the tournament in 3/4 seasons, and I don't care what school it is. It would be of my personal opinion to move on from Woodson if he misses the tournament altogether or underachieves in the regular season to the point the team receives a low seed and loses in the first round, but again my opinion alone. Never said I would be ok with a 5, 6, 7 seed as the other poster so eloquently put it, but it wouldn't put me in the Fire Woodson camp.  

Sorry to the rest if this is repetitive but hopefully your brain reciprocates this go-around.

Let’s keep it simple for you. Say Mike Woodson leads IU to a 7 seed and a loss in the second round. Should that result in him being fired? 

[AH1971]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Now the expectation of a good season is finishing 4th or 5th in our conference. Wow the bar has lowered. 

Jesus that's not all what he said.

He said finishing 4th or 5th in the conference and reaching the S16 was a bare minimum requirement. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Selection Sunday never happened. Saying he made the tourney is just guessing.

Whatever, literally every prognosticator had us in, the record and SOS was all there, but again, who gives a damn. All this pounding on CAM bc he never made the tourney, then saying no way he didn't see it was cancelled, is silly. It doesn't matter, everyone here agrees he wasn't a good coach and should've been fired.

[Chris007]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Jesus that's not all what he said.

He said finishing 4th or 5th in the conference and reaching the S16 was a bare minimum requirement. 

You guys are so 

[AH1971]

14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Let’s keep it simple for you. Say Mike Woodson leads IU to a 7 seed and a loss in the second round. Should that result in him being fired? 

I wouldn't be happy but would need to know more to be swayed one way or the other. Was it against the 2 seed or a 15 seed? Were we competitive? Did we choke? Did we lose by 30? Kind of hard to put a hard benchmark requirement on such a crap shoot event such as the NCAA tournament. I'd honestly be more disappointed that we were a 7 seed over losing in the 2nd round. That's my opinion.

 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

You guys are so 

Ironic to say the least given all the tears and tantrums displayed by you and others the last several months.