They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Chris007]

55 minutes ago, BtownStrength said:

I mean I know this board can have some controversial opinions at times but DAMN!

Sometimes one letter is all you need.

[AH1971]

37 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Yes.  For us to be a top 25 team next year Woody needs 2 elite guards, a solid backup big, and another big almost as good as Trayce or Ware.  And MR and MM back.  

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

[Deserthoozier]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

We’ll get a mid one, pay $500k+ in NIL, promote him like he’s a diamond in the rough potential All Big team b/c he was 12pts 5 ast in the Summit — and then blame it all on injury when he comes out with one of his wrists wrapped with a piece of tape mid-season after we struggle to beat buy teams and start to tank in the Big.

We’ll then be told to chill and that we’re not true fans when they try to run it back again with what is another obvious sinking ship year/coach/administration in 2025 - or reactively start a coaching search with the culture/program so broken, we’ll have to make a desperation hire again and get to start the cycle over! 

Enough! This athletic administration is desperate for ‘true’ leadership, not fans. Fans are the only thing that has kept the program afloat/relevant. F around like this,  this far down the years of dysfunction with your marquee program, this administration might sadly find out. 

[tyappleg]

47 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Yes.  For us to be a top 25 team next year Woody needs 2 elite guards, a solid backup big, and another big almost as good as Trayce or Ware.  And MR and MM back.  

So we only need 2 all conference guards and an all american big.  Shouldn't be too hard for "The Closer". 

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, dar007 said:

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I disagree. 

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[ap2345]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

Well if they get desperate enough they could way overpay for one if they wanted. Make a guy an offer they can’t refuse 

[Feathery]

16 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

[Hornsby]

So we only need 2 all conference guards and an all american big.  Shouldn't be too hard for "The Closer". 

He will basically need three of the top 25 portal guys. Piece of cake for the nba legend.

 

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[Shooter]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Imagine not having to rely on a center to put the entire team on his back? It’s a concept that 350 some other teams have figured out except Woodson. So in a hypothetical trade off imagine giving up some rim protection for:

a) perimeter offense

b) perimeter defense 

Remember, “2’s are worth more than 3’s” as a wise coach once said.

This teams three point differential, both scoring and guarding, is literally the story of the season.

 

 

 

Not arguing that at all. Just feel that Ware was pretty clearly our best player this season, and agreed with prior post that he is underrated because of how bad our team was. Diminishing his role to just "rim protection" is an example of that.

Brice Williams and Domask are good players, but would not have transformed us into a 3 pt shooting machine. Domask was sort of a better version of Galloway - big physical guard, good finisher in the paint, sub-30% from deep.

Anyway, in 2022-23 IU had shooters on the roster. We finished 3rd in the Big Ten in 3PT percentage, yet still dead last in attempts. Unfortunately I don't see this changing much until we have a new coach.

Edited March 19, 2024 by Shooter

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

We ain't getting any of the top guards.  Book it.  

The chance of getting any good guards significantly decreases if we commit to play two big men…again. Good guards want spacing. They want to push and run out in transition. They want freedom of movement and the ability to make plays for themselves. None of this happens playing two bigs.
 

It’s bewildering to see the same posters who have complained all season about lack of guard play advocate for getting another elite big. We already have an elite offensive scoring big in Reneau. And he’ll be that much more effective being the only big on the floor. It’s a whole lot tougher for teams to double and dig (aspects where Malik struggles) when you have perimeter firepower. I get it, he’s not a great rebounder or rim protecting, that isn’t the end be all though to constructing a competitive roster.

[OliviaPope40]

5 hours ago, Feathery said:

As a normal person I wouldn’t give either. But say all $6 million in NIL comes from the richest person in Indiana, who has a $6 billion net worth. That’s the same as someone with $100,000 net worth giving $100 to NIL. I know people who spend more than $100 on Girl Scout cookies, because well….thin mints are good. Lol

 

Could go for a box of thin mints right about now.

[Feathery]

2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The chance of getting any good guards significantly decreases if we commit to play two big men…again. Good guards want spacing. They want to push and run out in transition. They want freedom of movement and the ability to make plays for themselves. None of this happens playing two bigs.
 

It’s bewildering to see the same posters who have complained all season about lack of guard play advocate for getting another elite big. We already have an elite offensive scoring big in Reneau. And he’ll be that much more effective being the only big on the floor. It’s a whole lot tougher for teams to double and dig (aspects where Malik struggles) when you have perimeter firepower. I get it, he’s not a great rebounder or rim protecting, that isn’t the end be all though to constructing a competitive roster.

I don’t think people are advocating for another I bc they want it beyond depth. It’s that they expect it to happen and I believe Rabby said a week ago or so they wanted to get a run protector in the portal. 

[OliviaPope40]

5 hours ago, reconmkd said:

Hahaha that is chump change for that cookie pyramid scheme! I owe my 6yo dealer, who lives in my house and my wife leads, for 2 cases of cookies. They got me bad this year and are trying to pry some more money out of me now!

That would be a good NIL deal.

[Hornsby]

Well if they get desperate enough they could way overpay for one if they wanted. Make a guy an offer they can’t refuse 

Woodsons like a political campaign whom the donors have just given a big check. We will see how quickly he blows and if he is any at managing money or blows it all fast.

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[Kentuckysucks]

26 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

No we don’t. We immediately lower our floor the second we commit to playing two traditional big men. Reneau is not a modern 4 in any sense of the word. He’s a small ball 5 who you can protect with good perimeter defense and guards that can rebound. The less minutes Reneau plays alongside a 5, the better chance this team has. It was painfully obvious watching this team try and play two bigs at all times last year. And the two years before with Trayce and Race. IT DOESN’T WORK. 

With Mike Woodson as the coach yes we do.  Need a top 5 roster to field a borderline top 25 team.  And he will continue to play 2 bigs.  Guaranteed.

[AH1971]

9 minutes ago, Feathery said:

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

Houston doesn’t play a single person over 6’8 and Iowa St has one 6’10 kid who comes off the bench. Easily the two best defensive teams in the country. Their guards are elite defenders and rebound exceptionally well.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Odds this staff puts together a top 25 roster for preseason?

7%

Odds this staff finishes the season in the top 25?

1%

And more or less, this is their expectation.


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[AH1971]

4 minutes ago, Feathery said:

I don’t think people are advocating for another I bc they want it beyond depth. It’s that they expect it to happen and I believe Rabby said a week ago or so they wanted to get a run protector in the portal. 

Team definitely needs a rim protector in the portal. He doesn’t need to play 30 mpg alongside Reneau however.

[coonhounds]

I know this is the fire mike thread but won't there potentially be way better players in the portal after ncaa tournament? Maybe we been talking to some elite guards telling them were going to pay huge after their done? Pipe dream?

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[coonhounds]

Odds this staff puts together a top 25 roster for preseason?

7%

Odds this staff finishes the season in the top 25?

1%

And more or less, this is their expectation.


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Yea that pissed me off when Mike said he didn't want to be sitting here next year not in the tournament! I am like dude I don't just want you in the tournament you better be a top 10 team with a legit chance to win it! Especially if your just trying to buy your team Rather than build it! Da he'll is he talking about

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