They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[NashvilleHoosier 3,842]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

What would be considered a better vibe finishing 6-2?

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Those is vibes. 

[HoosierTrav 8,177]

11 hours ago, ISP said:

I agree. I think Woody will get year 4 and to be honest I think it's deserved despite the **** season we are having. 

With that said, I think there is a higher quantity and quality coaches available now than in any previous time we were looking and I think it is very likely that 4-5 of them would accept pretty quickly. 

Either way,  I hope we load up this off season and hit the Final 4 next year. 

Riding that roller coaster would likely be enough to finally kill me of stress. I’ll gladly buy a ticket anyway.

[HoosierTrav 8,177]

10 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Gunn has been that way most of the season. He pouts way too early. I would have never put him back in the 2nd half against OSU. He very rarely looks into the huddle when he is not in the game. Dude needs to go to the MAC and play all he wants

I agree and honestly, that’s where it felt like he should be at the time he came in as a frosh. I understand why he was retained. The staff needed a roster to work with late in the game. 

[IU_FanClub 1,785]

If Woodson runs Galloway off he is a ****inng moron. You have to have depth getting rid of one of our only semi productive guards that is willing to come off the bench would be beyond stupid.

[HoosierTrav 8,177]

I’ve had some time to medicate myself and see things more clearly, I feel.

I think we would be making a mistake if we were to fire Woody after this year, or patently coerce him into retirement. I know I’ve had my pitchfork out recently, but I’ve changed my mind. 

Here’s why…

Everyone other than IU fans are noticing the revolving door we have at the Head Coach position. Regardless of whether it was a poor hire to begin with (for a myriad of reasons), we cannot publicly fire one of our past legendary players after year 3. Not after making two tournaments in a row after a 5-year drought. Trust me. I’m ******* pissed about the fact we aren’t going to be seeing Indiana on any tournament brackets. But that doesn’t change the fact that firing or forcing out would be a mistake at this juncture. The optics would likely be as bad as they’ve ever been at IU (regarding the issue of turnover at the HC position). That’s saying a mountain’s worth because the optics around the program have been really awful at times not so far removed from right now. Is Woody the answer to a B1G title and a Final Four? I don’t see that happening. Woody has quite a few obvious warts, but he does some things well. I’d say better than our last two coaches. When he’s engaged, he absolutely can be a force in recruiting. He obviously is struggling to understand the nuances of building a winning college program, but that goes back to why the hire was poorly conceived and executed. Again…doesn’t change the fact that it would be a mess to fire or push out.

A growing part of me wants to see him recruit with his back against the wall. I just watched some full games of Montverde’s, and Derik Queen and Liam McNeeley are absolute game-changers for any program, by themselves. If someone were to get both of them, that SIGNIFICANTLY raises the bar for any team that has some solid pieces (e.g., Reneau is a B1G POY kind of guy in years 3-4 IMHO), and solid prospects of upgrading the two guard positions from the portal. I feel like I’m lying to myself if I don’t admit that it’s completely conceivable for this to happen. Likely? I’d say it’s 50/50 for me.
 

I think myself and others are overlooking how elite the Montverde guys really are. They come in and win. JHS wasn’t the best player on his national championship teams. He was a great game manager and leader. Reneau was not even close to being a primary option. Both of those guys elevated our team like crazy. As freshmen. These guys aren’t coming in with a missing understanding of how to play elite team defense. They understand how to win extremely high-level matchups. They are elite at sharing the ball, defending, and most importantly, winning. They dominate nearly every single team they play, and they regularly play elite teams full of other difference-makers. Watching these guys play reminded me of the scene in Blue Chips, where the team’s shoe company agent is telling the coaching staff that “if you get these two guys, you’re in the Final Four next year.” Like I said, we have to upgrade the guards in the portal, but in my mind this is conceivable.

The absolute best scenario for the program, long term, is for

    •    Woody and the team to finish the season with a pulse.
    •    Then go into portal season with all-out effort from the staff and NIL collectives (Not saying we need to go full-on Ohio State football, but the comp packages need to be as close to competitive as anyone else’s suitors). Make a statement that we are planning to win next season.
    •    Have a bounce-back season.
    •    With Woody’s understanding, start to begin searching, identifying, and hiring a guy that can come here and get as close to the program’s ceiling as possible. I want a guy that has the same exact attitude and confidence that Kelvin Sampson had when he took the job. They asked him why he left Oklahoma. He stated, “I came to Indiana for one reason: I think you can win championships at Indiana.” We need a guy like this with supreme confidence. That guy will likely have an idea of why he believes that Indiana can win multiple championships. 
    •    Then finally RETIRE Woodson. Keep the family intact. It’s been broken for so long. Woody has definitely bridged the gap between the past and the present more than anyone after Knight. I feel like this thread should be changed to “RETIRE Coach Woodson.”

The only way I think this change could happen this season is if we had our guy lined up and it’s a huge splash hire. Brad Stevens is the only guy I can think of, and I’m fully convinced that will never manifest.

So again: we need to stop making bad decisions for the sake of cleaning up a previous mistake. Get it right. Handle it like a winning organization for once and get a dude. 
 

Hell…. At some point we are going to accidentally hire the right guy. Right? 

[Golfman25 6,317]

3 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

I’ve had some time to medicate myself and see things more clearly, I feel.

I think we would be making a mistake if we were to fire Woody after this year, or patently coerce him into retirement. I know I’ve had my pitchfork out recently, but I’ve changed my mind. 

Here’s why…

Everyone other than IU fans are noticing the revolving door we have at the Head Coach position. Regardless of whether it was a poor hire to begin with (for a myriad of reasons), we cannot publicly fire one of our past legendary players after year 3. Not after making two tournaments in a row after a 5-year drought. Trust me. I’m ******* pissed about the fact we aren’t going to be seeing Indiana on any tournament brackets. But that doesn’t change the fact that firing or forcing out would be a mistake at this juncture. The optics would likely be as bad as they’ve ever been at IU (regarding the issue of turnover at the HC position). That’s saying a mountain’s worth because the optics around the program have been really awful at times not so far removed from right now. Is Woody the answer to a B1G title and a Final Four? I don’t see that happening. Woody has quite a few obvious warts, but he does some things well. I’d say better than our last two coaches. When he’s engaged, he absolutely can be a force in recruiting. He obviously is struggling to understand the nuances of building a winning college program, but that goes back to why the hire was poorly conceived and executed. Again…doesn’t change the fact that it would be a mess to fire or push out.

A growing part of me wants to see him recruit with his back against the wall. I just watched some full games of Montverde’s, and Derik Queen and Liam McNeeley are absolute game-changers for any program, by themselves. If someone were to get both of them, that SIGNIFICANTLY raises the bar for any team that has some solid pieces (e.g., Reneau is a B1G POY kind of guy in years 3-4 IMHO), and solid prospects of upgrading the two guard positions from the portal. I feel like I’m lying to myself if I don’t admit that it’s completely conceivable for this to happen. Likely? I’d say it’s 50/50 for me.
 

I think myself and others are overlooking how elite the Montverde guys really are. They come in and win. JHS wasn’t the best player on his national championship teams. He was a great game manager and leader. Reneau was not even close to being a primary option. Both of those guys elevated our team like crazy. As freshmen. These guys aren’t coming in with a missing understanding of how to play elite team defense. They understand how to win extremely high-level matchups. They are elite at sharing the ball, defending, and most importantly, winning. They dominate nearly every single team they play, and they regularly play elite teams full of other difference-makers. Watching these guys play reminded me of the scene in Blue Chips, where the team’s shoe company agent is telling the coaching staff that “if you get these two guys, you’re in the Final Four next year.” Like I said, we have to upgrade the guards in the portal, but in my mind this is conceivable.

The absolute best scenario for the program, long term, is for

    •    Woody and the team to finish the season with a pulse.
    •    Then go into portal season with all-out effort from the staff and NIL collectives (Not saying we need to go full-on Ohio State football, but the comp packages need to be as close to competitive as anyone else’s suitors). Make a statement that we are planning to win next season.
    •    Have a bounce-back season.
    •    With Woody’s understanding, start to begin searching, identifying, and hiring a guy that can come here and get as close to the program’s ceiling as possible. I want a guy that has the same exact attitude and confidence that Kelvin Sampson had when he took the job. They asked him why he left Oklahoma. He stated, “I came to Indiana for one reason: I think you can win championships at Indiana.” We need a guy like this with supreme confidence. That guy will likely have an idea of why he believes that Indiana can win multiple championships. 
    •    Then finally RETIRE Woodson. Keep the family intact. It’s been broken for so long. Woody has definitely bridged the gap between the past and the present more than anyone after Knight. I feel like this thread should be changed to “RETIRE Coach Woodson.”

The only way I think this change could happen this season is if we had our guy lined up and it’s a huge splash hire. Brad Stevens is the only guy I can think of, and I’m fully convinced that will never manifest.

So again: we need to stop making bad decisions for the sake of cleaning up a previous mistake. Get it right. Handle it like a winning organization for once and get a dude. 
 

Hell…. At some point we are going to accidentally hire the right guy. Right? 

You’re not going to win anything recruiting 1 or 2 “5*” one and done type guys without a core behind them.  This team not only has holes in the starting 5, but coming off the bench as well.  

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

5 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

I’ve had some time to medicate myself and see things more clearly, I feel.

I think we would be making a mistake if we were to fire Woody after this year, or patently coerce him into retirement. I know I’ve had my pitchfork out recently, but I’ve changed my mind. 

Here’s why…

Everyone other than IU fans are noticing the revolving door we have at the Head Coach position. Regardless of whether it was a poor hire to begin with (for a myriad of reasons), we cannot publicly fire one of our past legendary players after year 3. Not after making two tournaments in a row after a 5-year drought. Trust me. I’m ******* pissed about the fact we aren’t going to be seeing Indiana on any tournament brackets. But that doesn’t change the fact that firing or forcing out would be a mistake at this juncture. The optics would likely be as bad as they’ve ever been at IU (regarding the issue of turnover at the HC position). That’s saying a mountain’s worth because the optics around the program have been really awful at times not so far removed from right now. Is Woody the answer to a B1G title and a Final Four? I don’t see that happening. Woody has quite a few obvious warts, but he does some things well. I’d say better than our last two coaches. When he’s engaged, he absolutely can be a force in recruiting. He obviously is struggling to understand the nuances of building a winning college program, but that goes back to why the hire was poorly conceived and executed. Again…doesn’t change the fact that it would be a mess to fire or push out.

A growing part of me wants to see him recruit with his back against the wall. I just watched some full games of Montverde’s, and Derik Queen and Liam McNeeley are absolute game-changers for any program, by themselves. If someone were to get both of them, that SIGNIFICANTLY raises the bar for any team that has some solid pieces (e.g., Reneau is a B1G POY kind of guy in years 3-4 IMHO), and solid prospects of upgrading the two guard positions from the portal. I feel like I’m lying to myself if I don’t admit that it’s completely conceivable for this to happen. Likely? I’d say it’s 50/50 for me.
 

I think myself and others are overlooking how elite the Montverde guys really are. They come in and win. JHS wasn’t the best player on his national championship teams. He was a great game manager and leader. Reneau was not even close to being a primary option. Both of those guys elevated our team like crazy. As freshmen. These guys aren’t coming in with a missing understanding of how to play elite team defense. They understand how to win extremely high-level matchups. They are elite at sharing the ball, defending, and most importantly, winning. They dominate nearly every single team they play, and they regularly play elite teams full of other difference-makers. Watching these guys play reminded me of the scene in Blue Chips, where the team’s shoe company agent is telling the coaching staff that “if you get these two guys, you’re in the Final Four next year.” Like I said, we have to upgrade the guards in the portal, but in my mind this is conceivable.

The absolute best scenario for the program, long term, is for

    •    Woody and the team to finish the season with a pulse.
    •    Then go into portal season with all-out effort from the staff and NIL collectives (Not saying we need to go full-on Ohio State football, but the comp packages need to be as close to competitive as anyone else’s suitors). Make a statement that we are planning to win next season.
    •    Have a bounce-back season.
    •    With Woody’s understanding, start to begin searching, identifying, and hiring a guy that can come here and get as close to the program’s ceiling as possible. I want a guy that has the same exact attitude and confidence that Kelvin Sampson had when he took the job. They asked him why he left Oklahoma. He stated, “I came to Indiana for one reason: I think you can win championships at Indiana.” We need a guy like this with supreme confidence. That guy will likely have an idea of why he believes that Indiana can win multiple championships. 
    •    Then finally RETIRE Woodson. Keep the family intact. It’s been broken for so long. Woody has definitely bridged the gap between the past and the present more than anyone after Knight. I feel like this thread should be changed to “RETIRE Coach Woodson.”

The only way I think this change could happen this season is if we had our guy lined up and it’s a huge splash hire. Brad Stevens is the only guy I can think of, and I’m fully convinced that will never manifest.

So again: we need to stop making bad decisions for the sake of cleaning up a previous mistake. Get it right. Handle it like a winning organization for once and get a dude. 
 

Hell…. At some point we are going to accidentally hire the right guy. Right? 

That done enlightenment!  What did you do, take a drive out west and medicate with peyote?

I do think Woodson will be back next year!

[Stuhoo 86,539]

8 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

That done enlightenment!  What did you do, take a drive out west and medicate with peyote?

I do think Woodson will be back next year!

All it will take is a 15 point loss to Purdue tonight to explode people’s heads once again!

lol

[Class of '66 Old Fart 88,215]

@HoosierTrav will post page 2 later today.   

[DChoosier 9,322]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

All it will take is a 15 point loss to Purdue tonight to explode people’s heads once again!

lol

Sadly, a 15 point loss would mean we beat the spread and kept the game closer than I expect. It would be a win win !!!

[Trish 13,229]

Fire Mike Woodson! 

[TheWatShot 15,076]

7 hours ago, HoosierTrav said:

I’ve had some time to medicate myself and see things more clearly, I feel.

I think we would be making a mistake if we were to fire Woody after this year, or patently coerce him into retirement. I know I’ve had my pitchfork out recently, but I’ve changed my mind. 

Here’s why…

Everyone other than IU fans are noticing the revolving door we have at the Head Coach position.

Gonna stop you right here. This is a myth perpetuated by social media and people believing things they see too often. We gave Mike Davis 6 years and Tom Crean was here almost a decade. We do NOT have a revolving door. Fans just think we do because we've hired so many failures in a row. If anything, we've been far too patient. 

[AZ Hoosier 9,757]

1 hour ago, DChoosier said:

Sadly, a 15 point loss would mean we beat the spread and kept the game closer than I expect. It would be a win win !!!

Yep... and possibly trigger an extension and raise.

[IUFAN1976 4,320]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

All it will take is a 15 point loss to Purdue tonight to explode people’s heads once again!

lol

The spread is 18.5, that is quite doable.  Honestly, if we play like we did against OSU during the last 15 minutes, we could beat the spread and maybe only lose by 10 or less.  The only problem, we never know which team will show up but one we know for sure is Purdue will get foul calls and we won’t.  Edey 2 fouls < Reneau, Ware, Sparks  14 fouls.  I know wrong thread, lol.  I got carried away

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,174]

Wood gonna get Son’d tonight by Painter.


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[Scotty R 3,044]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

Gonna stop you right here. This is a myth perpetuated by social media and people believing things they see too often. We gave Mike Davis 6 years and Tom Crean was here almost a decade. We do NOT have a revolving door. Fans just think we do because we've hired so many failures in a row. If anything, we've been far too patient. 

A lot of national media don't agree with you. Also fans haven't been patient because they start calling for the coaches head by year two.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,966]

3 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

A lot of national media don't agree with you. Also fans haven't been patient because they start calling for the coaches head by year two.

Are we supposed to give a crap what the national media says? Oh no, talking heads think we life on from our crappy coaches too soon. Can’t have that. 

[Scotty R 3,044]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Are we supposed to give a crap what the national media says? Oh no, talking heads think we life on from our crappy coaches too soon. Can’t have that. 

Perception becomes reality. Also other coaches look at it that way as well. Maybe  we need to look in the mirror and realize coaches don't view this as a desirable job. Why leave a winning situation and your job security to come here and be under pressure in year two 

[JSHoosier 21,897]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Are we supposed to give a crap what the national media says? Oh no, talking heads think we life on from our crappy coaches too soon. Can’t have that. 

How dare IU operate like a program that wants and expects to win. No, bad coaches have to be given a decade+ in the name of "stability" even if it's not earned.

Nevermind that IU is the only program so poorly run that they'd hire a guy in his 60s with no college experience and hadn't been a HC in a decade.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,966]

7 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Perception becomes reality. Also other coaches look at it that way as well. Maybe  we need to look in the mirror and realize coaches don't view this as a desirable job. Why leave a winning situation and your job security to come here and be under pressure in year two 

Yes Scott, it’s much better for IU’s perception for the media to write articles trashing IU for sucking on the court. If a coach doesn’t want to come to IU because he wants the chance to suck for several years before he’s judged, that’s not a guy I’d ever want. There is quite literally zero reason why it would take a coach more than 3 years to have things trending in the right direction at IU with NIL and the transfer portal. This isn’t football where you have 75+ guys on the roster. You can transform a roster overnight if you want to.