Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[go iu bb 6,273]

51 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Open up my MSN page today and see a story speculating on where Robbie Avila might go. Thinking it's a done deal that he's headed to SLU, just for fun -- I click on it.  It includes us, PU, Illinois and Wisconsin -- in addition to SLU. 

It was penned by someone named John Canady of SportsGrid (whatever that is). Anyway, this is what it said about IU ... 

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Mike Woodson has done a great job in Indiana, building a more than competitive roster. With multiple talented prospects set to join the Hoosiers, the team may be on the verge of putting together a historic season. Adding a talent like Robbie Aliva would only help them do that. If the big man were to want to stay in Indiana, perhaps a step up in competition while staying local could be a good selling point.

 

Let's break this down. 
Mike Woodson has done a great job at Indiana. ... No
Building a more-than-competitive roster ... Depends on what that roster is for. If it's for intramurals, yes. It it's to compete in the upper half of the B1G and get an NCAA bid -- probably not. 
Multiple talented prospects set to join the Hoosiers ... Where? 
On the verge of a historic season ... Huh? 
 

Sorta makes you wonder how much research "reporters" from these fringe websites actually do -- and why what they write has to be taken with a grain of salt. 

I saw one on FB that made me laugh. It had SLU, of course, but also Duke, Tennessee, Illinois, and IU. 

Also, to your post, "a historic season" could include historically bad and being one of the first teams to miss the B1GT.

[Hornsby 2,145]

Has Todd Leary started working with the players on shooting yet? Didn't he say that if Woodson was brought back he was going to spend the summer at Cook Hall working with the players on FT shooting and 3pt

Yeah doesn't he own some shot school now? He went from being very critical of Woodson to basically singing his praises like overnight last year.

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17 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

I'm sure everyone has seen Dan Hurley's clip after a tough loss to Villanova in his second year at UConn, where he said "You better get us now. You better get us now, because it's coming." On McAfee's show before the title game, they played the clip for him and asked how he knew. Hurley makes a comment about sometimes the fans just need to hear something from the Head Coach. Skip to 2:45 in the vid, that full response is worth a listen.

This past season could have been handled so differently by the staff... now we've got a deeply fractured fanbase and sucky basketball team... that trajectory is unlikely to change without major play style changes. Confidence in IUBB... interest in following the normal news cycle this offseason... financial and emotional investment in the program, personally, all on the decline, unfortunately. 

As @WayneFleekHoosier wisely put it the other day... shut up and win.

Full Quote: 

“Number one you’re the coach at UConn and the tradition and history is rich here. The fans, obviously, the expectation is you’re going to be amongst the best. We weren’t very good but we were starting to turn the corner. The culture was coming together, the talent was improving, we started getting pros in the program. You know (chuckles), ya gotta say something to your fan base at that point. Because we weren’t there yet and I think when you’re the coach of a big brand program you gotta have some swagger, some confidence, because people are going to be on your a$$ anyway.”

Nice find.  Beyond the on court struggles, this is why I am done with this regime.  We knew Woody was an average coach at best, but didn't expect him to be such a thin skinned whiner.  How did he survive under RMK with no ability to handle criticism?  If you don't like getting booed (and who would), DO something about it.  But he keeps doing the same things people boo about and there's never any fire or energy.  (And no, whining about the mean fans is not fire.)  His pitiful attitude is seeping into the rest of the program.  It doesn't matter what players are brought in, no organization will succeed with that kind of "leadership".

[Ryno6284 2,713]

30 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Yeah doesn't he own some shot school now? He went from being very critical of Woodson to basically singing his praises like overnight last year.

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No, I think he is still very critical of Woody the coach.

[Hoosier DaDa 2,568]

On 4/9/2024 at 9:02 PM, HoosierAloha said:

Why do people dog him then bring his stuff back to the board after he’s been booted or left or whatever happened? Seems odd

Entertainment

[Hoosier DaDa 2,568]

On 4/10/2024 at 8:39 AM, sirhoosierlot said:

twitter "insiders" vs btb "insiders"

 

May the Schwartz be with us

[JF87 1,511]

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

[IUFAN1976 3,372]

1 hour ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

Please don’t say those cursed words around here again 

[JSHoosier 20,327]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

He was given a 6 year contract, another 3 would finish his contract. Don't put that out there, someone at IU might see it and think it's a good idea; and yes, the decision makers have shown they are stupid enough to think that's a good idea.

[Chris007 44,383]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

Wash your mouth out with soap talking like that. Go to your room and don't come out. No dinner for you tonight

[LamarCheeks 19,256]

2 hours ago, JF87 said:

Watching Louisville and Kentucky struggle to hire a "proven winner" from another P5 school is why I wanted us to act on Dusty when the window of opportunity was open.  Dusty, like all good mid-major coaches, wasn't a certainty to be successful at IU, but he did have recruiting ties to Indiana high schools and AAU programs.  Passing on Dusty probably means that the IU decision makers are looking to give Woodson at least 3 more years and not the 1 year that so many of us desire.  

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Tony Adragna with an assessment of a former poster.

 

[Home Jersey 8,140]

Sigh. 

Sorry in advance for the wall of text. I've had a lot of fun following along this UConn team's tournament run.

Been a fan of the Hurleys since before I was a fan of IU. Lot of great basketball memories from my adolescent years. 

Obviously having graduated from IU, that connection is way stronger/where my loyalties are first and foremost. 

Can't root for another team over IU. But I can definitely root for this UConn team and program. 

 

Zooming out...what's the macro look like for IUBB after another decade, with less generally interested fans/wealthy donors?

I fear very much that it's essentially the de facto nail in the coffin (administrative ineptitude aside).

If it weren't for RMK's titles (normally I hate such statements, because, guess what... RMK did coach here). BUT. 

If it weren't for RMK's titles, our banners would be older than the University of San Francisco's. 

As time goes on, there will only be more embarrassing stats like the above. How many kids care about the 70s/80s?

 

Conference realignment feels potentially dangerous unless CCC can deliver (I think he can... let's go IUFB)

If not...and the program continues to be irrelevant nationally while the "idea" is for IUBB to be a B10 flagship program 

We may find ourselves in a precarious spot. Are we focusing on the right things? "Sleeping Giant" or Dead in the Water...

Someone tell those j3rk0ffs on Twitter we're not the crazy ones for believing our own eyes after this past year.

I'll be skeptical until my admiration is earned back. What that takes is another conversation...

Until then... burners in the staff's network trying to antagonize people... SHUT UP AND WIN.

 

Imagine having a coach who knows what to say (+ how & when to say it) to unite fans/rally support, like Dan Hurley. 

You know, someone who actually embodies what it means to be a leader... like coaches are supposed to be... Leaders.

The culture appears to be an even bigger problem than the schemes, which are also flawed (another conversation too).

Wouldn't have said that before this year. The cheap chit by XJ & CJ, Techs, Sr Night speeches, offseason silence/burners 

Bit odd our coach's preferred motivation tactic is to pre-seed an "us vs. the world" mentality toward their own fanbase. 

Smells like drama - manufactured in the most cowardly way possible - by an insecure coaching staff. 

 

I want IU to win, so I hope it works for them. I hope they're ready to win an awful lot to get fan support back. 

But man... it's tough to root for a coaching staff singing this tune. Retire Mike Woodson expeditiously.

Hire the 31st Head Coach in Indiana University Men's Basketball history. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,304]

 

 

[str8baller 5,411]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Conference realignment feels potentially dangerous unless CCC can deliver (I think he can... let's go IUFB)

Probably more dangerous to Uconn and Hurley than IU. Pray we marginalize the BE schools, Hurley feels the need to leave,  and IU makes a strong play. 

[Home Jersey 8,140]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Probably more dangerous to Uconn and Hurley than IU. Pray we marginalize the BE schools, Hurley feels the need to leave,  and IU makes a strong play. 

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

[Ryno6284 2,713]

4 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

I think if I'm gambling on a good coaches brother, I would go with Bryce Drew.

[Golfman25 5,612]

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

Well he even played here years ago, so he checks that box. :)

[AZ Hoosier 7,412]

3 hours ago, Home Jersey said:

Agree its more dangerous for UConn than IU, but we're not 100% in the clear either necessarily IMO. 

Sadly I don't think anyone is ever getting Dan Hurley further than about 3-4 hours from NJ. 

Now... this will be a controversial/hot take to many (not convinced myself)... but... if you're not going to land a top guy

Would you take a flyer on Bobby Hurley? He's certainly not got the same geographic restrictions. 

Doesn't have the coaching success either. Sometimes the best players can't really coach as well. 

Ultimately doubt we'd go with such an outsider especially one without the track record, but a thought if you're going to end up not being able to land a big fish (UK seems to prove that essentially) or find an up and comer you feel good about. 

It's not like Bobby Hurley has had NO coaching success. ASU and buffalo are not the easiest places to win. 

Do you take a gamble betting on the family genes/connection essentially, but with more resources?

At a minimum I think our culture would be improved... don't know if Bobby Hurley is up for a place like IU though. 

If I were him I'd get into broadcasting. I'm sure that's why he's a competitor/D1 coach and I'm not though (amongst many other reasons). Lol

Big NO on Bobby Hurley. Not good at ASU. And we've already done the "brother of a coach" thing with Archie.

[OKHOOSIER 2,608]

So Kentucky is set to hire a guy with zero tournament wins. And some people thought Dusty May wasn’t good enough for us to hire. Lmao.

At least we (hopefully) won’t embarrass ourselves by throwing silly numbers at dudes like Hurley and Drew who aren’t going anywhere. Rumor was Hurley got offered 12.5 a year. And given that Mark Pope is getting 5.5 I’d believe it. If Dusty May wins big at Michigan and they commit to him, this is going to be a watershed moment for the program. Didn’t quote it but @Home Jersey is right on the mark above. Maybe Dusty will come home after a while winning at Michigan, but the risk of him being successful elsewhere at a P5 and  never coming far outweighed the risk of firing Woody and taking a chance on him. 
 

Money and program prestige simply don’t matter like they used to in the age of football TV contract money and NIL for recruiting. The built in and fundamental advantages to taking a job like IU or Kentucky simply do not exist as they once did. Kentucky just found that out. It can also mean that finding an established P5 successful coach is not as important to a rebuild, which they may also find out. The days of “blue bloods” simply opening a checkbook and spending more than schools not as committed to basketball just does not exist as it once did. That said,

 

Show Woody the door and offer Dan Hurley a billion dollars and make him say no.