Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[RoadRage 1,586]

21 minutes ago, JB_Nomee said:

Hate to say it but no 18 year old on the planet cares about a banner from 1987. You want a more modern approach, part of that is accepting that those days are gone. Kids want their names on the jerseys. They will like the alternate jerseys and you’ll see it all over social media. Even Liam has already retweeted a picture of them. 
 

Does it suck? It does. But it’s just reality. 

While it is probably true those dusty old banners don’t mean much to an 18 year old kid, if/when we ever win another one they will mean a lot…I mean 6 championships sounds a lot better than 1, or if you go to Purdue, none!

Oh yeah…..and no names on the jerseys either!

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Just now, RoadRage said:

While it is probably true those dusty old banners don’t mean much to an 18 year old kid, if/when we ever win another one it will mean a lot…I mean 6 championships sounds a lot better than 1, or if you go to Purdue, none!

Of course It means a lot! IU is one of the truly historic programs in the country and we have the best fans. It is because of our history that we have such great fans, NIL, and national spotlight and that DOES matter to recruits. But they don’t care that we won a lot 40 years ago. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,205]

1 hour ago, RoadRage said:

I was corrected in an earlier post that fans have no impact on these kinds of decisions…..the admins work entirely in a vacuum…..LOL

They do work in a completely different vacuum and that's the problem.  It's hard to succeed when half the fan base is tweeting at recruits, telling them to go elsewhere, and rooting for loses to pile up in order to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  That's what happens when you hire the guy no one wanted.

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7 minutes ago, JB_Nomee said:

Of course It means a lot! IU is one of the truly historic programs in the country and we have the best fans. It is because of our history that we have such great fans, NIL, and national spotlight and that DOES matter to recruits. But they don’t care that we won a lot 40 years ago. 

The point I was trying to make is once you win a new banner, the age of the old ones becomes less important, new recruits will only see 6 championships, not 1 new championship and 5 old ones!

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11 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

They do work in a completely different vacuum and that's the problem.  It's hard to succeed when half the fan base is tweeting at recruits, telling them to go elsewhere, and rooting for loses to pile up in order to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  That's what happens when you hire the guy no one wanted.

I think they may have been somewhat influenced to fire Tom Allen by the fanbase…..

[JB_Nomee 32]

9 minutes ago, RoadRage said:

The point I was trying to make is once you win a new banner, the age of the old ones becomes less important, new recruits will only see 6 championships, not 1 new championship and 5 old ones!

Completely agree with you. And it’s why I want Dusty to be the next HC. I think he will have enough appreciation for the past but also be the guy to bring a more modern approach to the program in multiple ways. 

[Chris007 43,453]

I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but IU is not going to pay Woodson 12 million to leave, buyout Pearl for 17 million, then have to pay Pearl at least 6 million a year since he makes 5.5 at Auburn. We don’t have that kind of money.

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56 minutes ago, JB_Nomee said:

Hate to say it but no 18 year old on the planet cares about a banner from 1987. You want a more modern approach, part of that is accepting that those days are gone. Kids want their names on the jerseys. They will like the alternate jerseys and you’ll see it all over social media. Even Liam has already retweeted a picture of them. 
 

Does it suck? It does. But it’s just reality. 

I don't mind the alternate jerseys.  Based on what I have seen of them, I just don't like those jerseys.  They look cheap.

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2 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

The issue is that with the downturn this season, Woodson appears more interested in saving his legacy and being the bridge coach/savior of the program than anything else... his stuck-in-the-80s style and stubborn/refusal to change methodology will ultimately be his undoing... and it will be significantly easier to spin the "I was the guy who brought IU back from the Miller tenure and into the bright future that is (May/Schertz/insert-name-of-coach-here)" than it will be to spin the "I stayed too long and drove the program right back into the Miller abyss".

The wheels are coming off, that's a fact. How does Woodson want to be remembered? Dolson needs to push hard on the narrative of "how do you want to be remembered, Mike?" ... appeal to Woodson's inner arrogance. 

He isn't stuck in the 80's or 90's colleges basketball because the style back then isn't anything like he plays.

[Scotty R 2,127]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I’m just shocked to hear his name connected at all. He’s a great coach but has never really coached at a traditional basketball school. Maybe he wants to finish his career at one? He did spend nearly a decade at Southern Indiana and has spoken highly of IU in the past.

Trying not to get my hopes up lol. 

I don't think Pearl name was really mentioned from an IU stand point. Whoever Trilly is said he contacted people around Pearl to see if he would like ne the IU job

 

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16 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but IU is not going to pay Woodson 12 million to leave, buyout Pearl for 17 million, then have to pay Pearl at least 6 million a year since he makes 5.5 at Auburn. We don’t have that kind of money.

I can only think of two programs in college sport who does have that $. UK BB and Bama FB

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39 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

They do work in a completely different vacuum and that's the problem.  It's hard to succeed when half the fan base is tweeting at recruits, telling them to go elsewhere, and rooting for loses to pile up in order to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  That's what happens when you hire the guy no one wanted.

No college or pro organization is going to hire or fire just because the fans want it to happen. That is the best way to get yourself fired. If they listen to fans the coach would he fired after every game. In the the pros a player would get traded after every bad game.

[str8baller 4,964]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Pearl is currently a better P5 coach.

May is a much better hire for IU.

We might also remind people that with a bunch of big openings guys like Pearl, and some others, will have agents who float their name with jobs or play footsie with ADs at another school so they can get raises at their own place of employment. You would think we would learn after the Stevens deal last time.  
 

For me personally, whenever I even read a credible report about one of the big names at a cash flush football school being “interested” in jumping ship I just assume it is mostly posturing for a raise. 

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1 hour ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Maybe the administration could do the one thing they've refused to do since the RMK firing...go out and hire who the fans want.  For once give the fan base what it wants.  Pearl, Drew, or Beard would all suffice.  If the fans aren't completely on board the hire is doomed to fail from the start.

Many in the fan base would not like it if Facial Hair was hired so I disagree that he would suffice.

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43 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

They do work in a completely different vacuum and that's the problem.  It's hard to succeed when half the fan base is tweeting at recruits, telling them to go elsewhere, and rooting for loses to pile up in order to speed up the firing process before the coach has even coached his first game.  That's what happens when you hire the guy no one wanted.

The idiots doing that will do that regardless. I know everyone gets sensitive about critiquing what being a "fan" is or means, but those losers aren't doing anyone any good.

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I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but IU is not going to pay Woodson 12 million to leave, buyout Pearl for 17 million, then have to pay Pearl at least 6 million a year since he makes 5.5 at Auburn. We don’t have that kind of money.

I agree we will not pay that. How does it work if they have an out in their contract. Does that mean the school still has to pay? Asking for Dusty too if he has an out. Kinda curious if anyone has a IU out.

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28 minutes ago, str8baller said:

We might also remind people that with a bunch of big openings guys like Pearl, and some others, will have agents who float their name with jobs or play footsie with ADs at another school so they can get raises at their own place of employment. You would think we would learn after the Stevens deal last time.  
 

For me personally, whenever I even read a credible report about one of the big names at a cash flush football school being “interested” in jumping ship I just assume it is mostly posturing for a raise. 

Painter worked Purdue that way.  He was never going to Missouri.

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1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Words matter. If you read what I wrote, I said that he APPEARS MORE INTERESTED IN SAVING HIS LEGACY ... clearly it's my opinion based on his body language in the game and in the post game pressers and the fact that very little has changed throughout the season...

Adding “Appears” does not change things much really. My overall point is that there are a lot of ways to be critical of a coach without going after his character. Now if he has real obvious character issues then those are fair game.  

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1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

I don’t want to be the bearer of bad news but IU is not going to pay Woodson 12 million to leave, buyout Pearl for 17 million, then have to pay Pearl at least 6 million a year since he makes 5.5 at Auburn. We don’t have that kind of money.

 

[AZ Hoosier 6,468]

26 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Adding “Appears” does not change things much really. My overall point is that there are a lot of ways to be critical of a coach without going after his character. Now if he has real obvious character issues then those are fair game.  

I did not "add" anything ... it was in my original post... again, it's MY OPINION. Not sure why you got your panties in a bunch over what I think/believe. I have definite feelings about Woodson's energy level and his character, but I have never personally met him, so I have refrained from posting that... however, I am entitled to my opinions about the man, his abilities, his strengths and his shortcomings, as are you and every one who posts here.