IUBB vs Auburn (Atlanta, GA) | 12/9/2023 @ 2:00pm on ESPN2

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

Winning a tournament doesn't take consistency. It just takes getting hot at the right time and favorable matchups. Flukes happen all the time. Hell, Davis almost won IU a national championship and he was far from consistent.

Winning tournaments multiple times and/or making multiple deep runs (even in conference championship tournaments) would show some consistency but you made it sound like even just once would be good enough for you.

It’s not perfect but it’s probably the best single indicator. Like I said Archie had won everything but that 

[JSHoosier 20,462]

28 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

Days like today are why I don't donate to NIL (other than the fact that I had to pay for a new sewer and new floors and have zero money)

Well, the team today contributed to a sewer they way they **** themselves.

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

6 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not if you think winning a conference tournament is a better indicator of a coach's success than winning a regular season conference title or advancing far in the NCAA tournament is.

By that logic Archie was a sure fire success 

[cbp4iu 1,624]

3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Winning a tournament doesn't take consistency. It just takes getting hot at the right time and favorable matchups. Flukes happen all the time. Hell, Davis almost won IU a national championship and he was far from consistent.

Winning tournaments multiple times and/or making multiple deep runs (even in conference championship tournaments) would show some consistency but you made it sound like even just once would be good enough for you.

Good guard play helps though

[IU_FanClub 1,712]

9 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Quite literally nothing contradictory about that. Used to tune in for every single game. Now I barely watch. But sick rep farming, bruh. 

I mean if you were not interested in the team, why are you on a message board to talk about it right after a loss in the middle of a Saturday? 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,896]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Same.  Used to arrange my schedule to watch. Now not so much. Don’t listen to the podcasts anymore.  And come here much less often. 

Tends to be how fandom goes, imo. Rarely does someone go from 100 to 0 overnight. It’s a gradual spiral into indifference. We haven’t had a legitimately good team since 2016. It’s been a slog ever since. We don’t play an aesthetically pleasing style of basketball, so even wins are often ugly to watch. I just don’t think IU has the institutional desire to do what it takes to be a top program. They certainly haven’t for the past two decades. 

[Banksyrules 4,895]

The athletic department should reimburse everyone who went there. disgraceful . 

[IU_FanClub 1,712]

11 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Well, he is because he’s in his 60’s. This is his third season. If he were looking like the team was on the verge of making deep tourney runs or winning conference titles then you start talking about if he can go ten years and last well into his 70’s.  Most coaches don’t tho.
 

He was brought back to right the ship and he did. He also helped proved IU can still recruit top guys.  
 

But right now IU has a good two year stretch of opportunity to really do a good search and target the right guy, then let Woody hand the reigns off to a hero’s sendoff for helping restore the program. Woody may not even want to coach that long, anyways.  
 

The worst thing that can happen is to let things get ugly, be forced to fire Woody when the program dips again, and then scramble to overpay the hot coach du jour.  

 

IU fans turned on Bobby f’n Knight after 3-4 years of mediocrity. There’s not a huge grace period. Woody and the admin should be thinking long term plans right now. 

This is fair. I have respect for Woody as he has really stabilized us at a point where we were dead in the water. But so far he has yet to put a team on the floor that has shown to even have deep run potential moving forward not just in the season.

[IU_FanClub 1,712]

7 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think our faith in Galloway, X, and Gunn cost us any legitimate chance at being great this year.

Granted I thought they’d all be better too. Galloway has negative confidence on his 3 point shot right now.

We also targeted Ledlum as a top target who is terrible and Timberlake who most thought was really good and couldn’t get traction with, who is also bad right now.

Caleb Love is playing well for Arizona. Anyway, our faith in our homegrown guards put a cap on things.

Mgbako still had awful defense instincts and very little fluidity in his movements. I like him fine but he’s much more rigid than I was expecting.


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I am pretty sure we basically told Caleb Love he wasn't for us but I do not have any actual info to confirm that. What a mistake not going all in him.

[JSHoosier 20,462]

2 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

The athletic department should reimburse everyone who went there. disgraceful . 

I feel so bad for the people that have to wash the brown stains off the shorts.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,896]

10 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think our faith in Galloway, X, and Gunn cost us any legitimate chance at being great this year.

Granted I thought they’d all be better too. Galloway has negative confidence on his 3 point shot right now.

We also targeted Ledlum as a top target who is terrible and Timberlake who most thought was really good and couldn’t get traction with, who is also bad right now.

Caleb Love is playing well for Arizona. Anyway, our faith in our homegrown guards put a cap on things.

Mgbako still had awful defense instincts and very little fluidity in his movements. I like him fine but he’s much more rigid than I was expecting.


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Idk why the staff would’ve ever had any faith in Gunn. He was unplayable last season and shot 8% from 3. I’m at the point where I have zero faith in our players developing. At least bench players, I mean. If they come in as freshmen and can’t contribute, I don’t expect that to ever change. Very rarely do we see legitimate growth in our players. 

[Whoozhers 3,723]

Woody sucked. Team sucked. Refs sucked. Announcers sucked. Fans sucked.

Major suckage all around.

The sun will come out tomorrow…..

Re-set HOOSIERS!

Beat KU!

[Golfman25 5,761]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

They panicked because they got played by Stevens like the country bumpkins they are.  
 

Woody was probably about as good as you could do in that scenario. I wouldn’t say failure, at least not in my eyes. But we pretty much know what he is at this point. 

Woody is a transition coach.  Plug the holes.  Stop the bleeding.  The A+ coaches weren't beating down the doors -- too many other programs these days to go to.  If he can get us on a sound foundation, the next guy will be setup to succeed.  It all starts with recruiting -- need to have good players come in, stay and develop.  Fill in the gaps with the portal.  Jury is still out on that.  

[spe317 612]

I am currently fantasizing about some Jay Wright era Villanova guards. 

[maharkn 1,791]

Guards, guards, guards. Need them and need tough ones. Galloway needs to not take a fifth year so we can find someone else. He a sixth man, energy guy off the bench nothing more

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[OliviaPope40 6,631]

I'd make them do a Steve Alford and walk back to campus no warm bus or plane ride and no Hoosier gear.

[Golfman25 5,761]

41 minutes ago, Crazy about IU said:

I have felt for IU to be successful under Woodson he is going to have to be a tremendous recruiter. I see a few pick and roles and some screens . But not a lot else. To have played under the best college coach ever who ran motion offense I see no motion from this team. All NBA play a lot of create your on shot. He going to need a whole slew of NBA type of players to succeed. 

He really needs to adapt and combine the two -- a little motion while allowing those with the talent to do their thing.  Kinda like the Calbert Cheaney days.  

[Golfman25 5,761]

38 minutes ago, FortWayneHoosier said:

Alright fellas enough of the back and fourth let’s keep it on topic folks. I know this was a tough game to swallow and emotions are high but let’s keep on topic. Thanks 

Time to close this thread -- game is over.  Start up the "fire Woody" thread.  :)   

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

11 minutes ago, maharkn said:

Guards, guards, guards. Need them and need tough ones. Galloway needs to not take a fifth year so we can find someone else. He a sixth man, energy guy off the bench nothing more

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I don’t think with Woodsons track record he is going to get guards.  Purdue is out recruiting us despite our NiL because at the end of the day players know they have a chance to win some basketball. 
 

It’s pretty clear that JHS was the exception not the rule for Woodson with guards. 

[Hornsby 2,249]

I think our faith in Galloway, X, and Gunn cost us any legitimate chance at being great this year.

Granted I thought they’d all be better too. Galloway has negative confidence on his 3 point shot right now.

We also targeted Ledlum as a top target who is terrible and Timberlake who most thought was really good and couldn’t get traction with, who is also bad right now.

Caleb Love is playing well for Arizona. Anyway, our faith in our homegrown guards put a cap on things.

Mgbako still had awful defense instincts and very little fluidity in his movements. I like him fine but he’s much more rigid than I was expecting.


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Correct.

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