IUBB vs Army - Sunday, 11.12.23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[Stuhoo]

I was responding to a post that said our performance so far was as bad as Crean’s first two years.

It’s not

[HoosierHoopster]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I was responding to a post that said our performance so far was as bad as Crean’s first two years.

It’s not

That’s what I meant by saying I know where you’re coming from, just can’t compare the two. 
 

[MikeRoberts]

9 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

So we need a kid to state publicly that if you are X or MM you get called thugs, not a leader, not a “smart player” and more that I won’t repeat here until we as fans realize it is a problem and needs to stop. The excuse that all fanbases do it such a passive approach.  Shouldn’t matter if it affects recruiting or not. 

you stated clearly you don’t go on Twitter. (Happens on here as well) Well, all these kids do and the comments are terrible. All while acting like the white kid never does wrong and not acknowledging he is limited.  Would just be nice to hear our “knowledgeable fanbase”  realize what the modern game takes to be successful. We need X, we need CJ, we need MM level athletes. Cupps is fine and will be a very solid 4 year guy. Measurable traits are what they are. (Speed, burst, etc) 

I will let it go as I know some are tired of hearing it. As a follow fan, do your best to squash those bias statements when you hear them. Read between the lines of what people say. All I ask. 

Forget Twitter, you are THE culprit of posting with biases here in this forum. I’ve read between your lines

[MikeRoberts]

15 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

To respect this forum I am not going to say what I want to and not going to attack directly. Let it go. I said my peace. 

Not even sure what that could possibly mean. Just find it ironic that you of all people are here lecturing the forum on biases

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

Ok, I let it go but had to address this. Especially since a few liked it. In general, I am going to let my opinion be my opinion and move on but my values require me to address this. 

The 2 are not close to the same. 

Cupps has measurable challenges to his game. Same as WR would go into the NFL combine and we can measure their maximum potential. You don’t draft a WR who runs. 5.0 40. Same with Malik. MM brings a different skillset and ability. That is my challenges with both Cupps and Malik. We need MM and CJ to figure it out. If not, our ceiling is limited. These are measurable and not opinion based. 

My point on much of the fanbase and their “evaluation” of X or MM for that matter is not based on ability or measurable attributes at all. They are judged differently and the criticism is “not a leader”, “not smart” “hot head” “thug” etc. sorry, but one of the very posters who replied immediately to my last post is one of such fans who absolutely treats those guys differently than a Cupps and uses criticism that is biased and not fact based. 

agree to disagree on Cupps ability to play in BIG as a starter but I am not doing to Cupps what others do to X. My only criticism is I do not believe  he has the quickness to guard high level guards. Would say the same about Leal. Very straight forward. 

What are cupps’ measureables?  How quick is he?  You have a number?  

[Home Jersey]

36 hours til Wright State guys

[Golfman25]

7 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Come on man. You know they don’t post publicly there 40 times. But you and anyone can see he is not that quick. Fast twitch and burst are not there. These are easy to see measurable differences.

That is easy to see. He makes up for it by good positioning and working hard but against the faster guards, it won’t matter. 

like I already said, I give. You and a good amount feel he is. We will see soon. That killed us at times last year and don’t think he is the solve. But my concerns with him in no way are the same as others put on X or MM. They have bias and it is very easy to see with how they talk about them. The Taco Bell thread showed plenty. You were very fact based and respectful there and asking that your love for Cupps not cloud what I am getting at.

So you’re basing it on the eye test and not an objective evaluation.  Got it.  Don’t let your own bias creep in.  But you do you.  

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

36 hours til Wright State guys

38 till the fire mike Woodson thread?   :)

[BGleas]

7 hours ago, Ngw7183 said:

Come on man. You know they don’t post publicly there 40 times. But you and anyone can see he is not that quick. Fast twitch and burst are not there. These are easy to see measurable differences.

That is easy to see. He makes up for it by good positioning and working hard but against the faster guards, it won’t matter. 

like I already said, I give. You and a good amount feel he is. We will see soon. That killed us at times last year and don’t think he is the solve. But my concerns with him in no way are the same as others put on X or MM. They have bias and it is very easy to see with how they talk about them. The Taco Bell thread showed plenty. You were very fact based and respectful there and asking that your love for Cupps not cloud what I am getting at.

I honestly have no clue what you're seeing or talking about? Have you watched him over 4 games (including the exhibitions) completely riding "supposedly quicker" guards up and down the court? Constantly making them change direction and almost never blowing by him. 

I mean, his defensive pressure literally changed the entire FGCU game around. He's probably our best defensive guard so far this season and that's on a team with XJ and Galloway. 

Defense and his ability to pressure at the point of attack is literally the reason he's gotten the minutes he has so far. 

[IndyResident16]

Anyone else see UK shoot themselves out of the game last night? Taking 3 pointers for the hell of it isn't a winning strategy, 38 to be exact.

[BGleas]

Just now, IndyResident16 said:

Anyone else see UK shoot themselves out of the game last night? Taking 3 pointers for the hell of it isn't a winning strategy, 38 to be exact.

Nobody is saying to take 3-pointers for the hell of it or to lead the nation in 3pt attempts. 

But, being ranked sub-300 in 3pt attempts isn't a winning strategy either. 

[IndyResident16]

2 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Nobody is saying to take 3-pointers for the hell of it or to lead the nation in 3pt attempts. 

But, being ranked sub-300 in 3pt attempts isn't a winning strategy either. 

Kansas (6-18 from 3 last night) dominated at the rim and got to the Free Throw line when they wanted. You don't need to jack 30+ 3's a game to win...even more so if you don't have the personnel to do it. That's all. 

[BGleas]

Just now, IndyResident16 said:

Kansas (6-18 from 3 last night) dominated at the rim and got to the Free Throw line when they wanted. You don't need to jack 30+ 3's a game to win...even more so if you don't have the personnel to do it. That's all. 

Again, nobody said "jack 30+ 3's". If we continue to be sub-300 nationally in attempts we're not going to win to the level we all want. 

[IndyResident16]

2 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Again, nobody said "jack 30+ 3's". If we continue to be sub-300 nationally in attempts we're not going to win to the level we all want. 

Why? Cut down on the turnovers and play better perimeter defense and this is a tough team to beat. Not many teams have an answer for Ware and Reneau at the rim for 40 minutes. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

23 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Johnson, Cupps, Galloway, Ware, Mgbako, Malik, Banks, off the top of my head who I feel comfortable shooting 4 + a game.   Probably more but those off the top of my head should let it fly if they are open.   

Our dudes are way too scared to shoot the ball if anyone is within an hour of them. You watch other teams, they are ready to shoot, even if partially contested. For whatever reason, our guys only believe they can shoot if they are WIDE open. It doesn't matter what percentage our guys shoot, other teams won't care because they only have to be "close" to make them not shoot. It's been that way through Archie and Woodsons first 2 years. Under Crean, dudes let it fly.

[BGleas]

Just now, IndyResident16 said:

Why? Cut down on the turnovers and play better perimeter defense and this is a tough team to beat. Not many teams have an answer for Ware and Reneau at the rim for 40 minutes. 

We're not that good in the halfcourt. Our 3pt defense sucks. Our pace is terrible. Reneau and Ware won't be nearly as effective or dominant when we're going against power 5 conference teams. 

What we're doing barely worked against FGCU and almost lost us a game to one of the worst teams in D1 basketball. 

Again, we don't need to lead the Nation I'm 3pt attemps, but we need to shoot more to compete once the competition gets better. 

Our bigs constistsly miss completely wide open shooters when double and tripled team all game long. There is absolutely no reason we can't and shouldn't shoot more. 

[Stuhoo]

8 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

What are cupps’ measureables?  How quick is he?  You have a number?  

 

I do: The quickness number for Gabe Cupps is 126.89.

My basis and methodology? WTF do you think I am; some kind of Purdoo geek-o-matic Poindexter?

Just trust me. It's exactly 126.89.

 

[Henryville Hoosier]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I do. The quickness number for Gabe Cupps is 126.89.

My basis for this and methodology? WTF do you think I am; some kind of Purdoo geek-o-matic Poindexter?

Just trust me. It's exactly 126.89.

 

Is that with or without shoes?

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

Is that with or without shoes?

Yes

[IndyResident16]

17 minutes ago, BGleas said:

We're not that good in the halfcourt. Our 3pt defense sucks. Our pace is terrible. Reneau and Ware won't be nearly as effective or dominant when we're going against power 5 conference teams.

Because we turn the ball over a ton, especially against Army. We're ultra-efficient at the rim (26-34) through 2 games. 76% isn't sustainable through a B10 season that I agree, but we have the size to wear teams down and get to the foul line. We missed a ton of FT's against FGCU and turned the ball over several times in the last 3 minutes making what should have been a comfortable double-digit win a lot closer than it should have been. We were also terrible defensively which has zero bearing on taking more perimeter shots. 

Against Army we turned the ball over 19 times. Cut that in half you're looking at ~20 point win given how efficiently we were scoring.

I'd love for IU to be a high volume 3 point shooting team, we simply don't have the personnel for it. Fix the turnover issues and defend the 3 point line better and this team is in good shape.