2024 PG Daquan Davis to Florida State

[Hornsby]

Hanner didn't even start that game. Hartman and Williams started at the 4 and 5. Along with Yogi, Sheehey and maybe Gordon.
Edit: Starters that game were Yogi, Sheehey, Williams, Etheringron, Hollowell

I remember going to watch hanner play aau along with the movement. They actually got beat by a team of small white guys from Wisconsin and a smaller guard who went to whitcha state. Hanner was not impressive. Dunks is all he had. I was stunned he was ranked a five star at the time.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Apparently the door hasn't totally been closed on Davis.  Raby reports Coach Ya watched him last Thursday.

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Apparently the door hasn't totally been closed on Davis.  Raby reports Coach Ya watched him last Thursday.

What I like about this coaching staff is their decisiveness when it comes to recruiting. It really gives the impression they know exactly what they're looking for.

[Demo]

1 hour ago, go iu bb said:

What I like about this coaching staff is their decisiveness when it comes to recruiting. It really gives the impression they know exactly what they're looking for.

2 things: 1) They've missed on kids, but I'm not really sure what situations could be fairly described as indecision. Are you talking about about Braden Smith? They may have gotten him wrong, though they already had Hood-Schifino committed and they were never offering him. Maybe Fland, though indecisiveness feels like an imprecise description of how that went.  Who am I forgetting? 2) Davis de-committed 2 1/2 months ago and has received exactly 1 new offer. It's not his game, so there's obviously something keeping not just Woody, but everyone else at arm's length. If anything, them continuing to keep in touch would indicate that they're trying to figure out a way through whatever it might be.

[Demo]

Florida St offered

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Exactly - lot of narratives recently 
I see this one is pretty straight forward. He would come here in easily if we wanted him. There is some expectations on playing time, comp etc from his side that many don’t feel is warranted. Woody is probably trying to be diligent while also knowing he really doesn’t need to see him much more personally. 
Put it this way for all the expert recruiters out there saying Woody is doing it all wrong. Needs guards. Run don’t walk to this kid. Would you take a kid who expects to start day one? You think he is that good? Have you even watched him? The answer is he is a very solid PG but doesn’t move the needle and fans would be very upset if he was the starter next year and not a portal guy. Then the same fans complaining about no guards would be complaining he is the starter. But that is what he is wanting and $.
So, the staff stays at arms length and waits. I think they would take him tomorrow if they thought he would accept his role and not be an issue. Would be willing to compete and grow while they go get an upper class transfer.
Personal opinion but really feels like many fans don’t understand how different things are today. 

I believe this is likely the scenario. And I’m perfectly fine with them handling the situation this way.

HOWEVER we are partly in the mess we are in because they projected Galloway and and X to be great guards and didn’t actively recruit better ones effectively because they misevaluated their own talent. They failed, no matter how you want to slice it.

I like that they have high standards on players and try to understand player desires.

They failed in roster construction so epically this season they lose the benefit of the doubt. Who cares about this particular kid?

Just get a roster ready through portal and development that is ready to rock n roll in the fall.


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[ziggyiu]

4 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I believe this is likely the scenario. And I’m perfectly fine with them handling the situation this way.

HOWEVER we are partly in the mess we are in because they projected Galloway and and X to be great guards and didn’t actively recruit better ones effectively because they misevaluated their own talent. They failed, no matter how you want to slice it.

I like that they have high standards on players and try to understand player desires.

They failed in roster construction so epically this season they lose the benefit of the doubt. Who cares about this particular kid?

Just get a roster ready through portal and development that is ready to rock n roll in the fall.


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Just to your comment that Woody didn't actively recruit guards, I've heard that IU did really try to get more guards from the portal last spring. One of the major issues was many of the guards were turned off by having X and Trey--two starters--return. 

[HoosierTrav]

2 hours ago, ziggyiu said:

Just to your comment that Woody didn't actively recruit guards, I've heard that IU did really try to get more guards from the portal last spring. One of the major issues was many of the guards were turned off by having X and Trey--two starters--return. 

Trilly did allude to this. Guy seems to be pretty plugged in to these sorts of things. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just to your comment that Woody didn't actively recruit guards, I've heard that IU did really try to get more guards from the portal last spring. One of the major issues was many of the guards were turned off by having X and Trey--two starters--return. 

Yes, that my point. It’s Woody’s job to determine if those guys are inadequate. Then recruit over them if need be, He didn’t. They are. He made the mistake of trusting and overevaluating his guys.
Woody’s sales pitch was predetermined that X and Gallo were starters. And THAT changes everything.

Including overevaluating his bench guards to boot. Gunn and Cupps aren’t backup guards are a top 10 team. Unless they play 3 minutes a game.

He fumbled everything with the guards and therefore his recruiting efforts where hamstrung from the get go and his recruiting pitch was never what it should have been.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just to your comment that Woody didn't actively recruit guards, I've heard that IU did really try to get more guards from the portal last spring. One of the major issues was many of the guards were turned off by having X and Trey--two starters--return. 

“Actively recruit better guards effectively”.

My point made above means his misevaluation of All his existing guards lead to a terrible recruiting effort because he already presumed his starters.

Potential recruits are only scared of X and Gallo if the coach gives them a reason to be.


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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

99-95 loss.  Davis 26p;  4r;  3a;  0s;  0b;  4t     8-19 FG;  3-7 on 3s;  7-8 FT

[Hoosierfan2017]

No stud guard was scared of our very mediocre returning guards lol. Be for real here. If Woody couldn’t bring any in then that’s a salesman problem.

Caleb Love is averaging 19 a game on the #8 team in the country. Wouldn’t have wanted Woody to promise him a starting job, though. Heavens no. The guys we have are much better. 

[Hoosier Roots]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

No stud guard was scared of our very mediocre returning guards lol. Be for real here. If Woody couldn’t bring any in then that’s a salesman problem.

Caleb Love is averaging 19 a game on the #8 team in the country. Wouldn’t have wanted Woody to promise him a starting job, though. Heavens no. The guys we have are much better. 

Iirc, the problem with love’s recruitment wasn’t that he wanted a starting spot, it was that he wanted full discretion to do what ever he wanted on offense. 
 

He is working out well for Arizona, but just based off his previous year at UNC that would have been a very stupid thing to promise him and a lot of fans would have lost their minds if that happened.

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, Hoosier Roots said:

Iirc, the problem with love’s recruitment wasn’t that he wanted a starting spot, it was that he wanted full discretion to do what ever he wanted on offense. 
 

He is working out well for Arizona, but just based off his previous year at UNC that would have been a very stupid thing to promise him and a lot of fans would have lost their minds if that happened.

Caleb Love is exactly what this team needs and is missing. There likely wouldn’t be any fire Woodson chatter in that case because the season would look drastically different. But Woodson’s stubbornness got in the way. Sure it would’ve been a gamble. But you won’t hit many home runs if you refuse to swing for the fences. 

[JSHoosier]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Caleb Love is exactly what this team needs and is missing. There likely wouldn’t be any fire Woodson chatter in that case because the season would look drastically different. But Woodson’s stubbornness got in the way. Sure it would’ve been a gamble. But you won’t hit many home runs if you refuse to swing for the fences. 

It's Indiana, we lay down a bunt and wonder why we were thrown out at 1st.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

that wasn’t his pitch and it is easy to say he fumbled when you are not in those shoes. 

 

His sales pitch was not that those 2 were the starters. His pitch was the same for all - yes, we have 2 returning seniors, I believe you have an opportunity to come in and compete for those minutes. How much time you get is up to you.

so are you saying he should have said to Love, Dingle, Ellis, Timberlake, Rayj, etc. - spot is yours. No need to worry about X or Trey, if you come here, they are coming off the bench. 

Every one of those guys expected to hear that. 

 

Even if you go lower on the ladder talent wise, kind of like Davis here. He still wants to be told he is the starter. 

 

Staffs job to figure it out but fans continue to oversimplify this. 

All this excuse making is just that. Staff doesn’t know how to build a top 10-15 team and doesn’t know one when they see one. Bottom line is, our guys aren’t good enough.

 

Singling out guys that haven’t excelled that we paid attention to isn’t helping your case. What about all the guards that portal-ed that are kicking butt that we didn’t try to get? That’s an US problem. Our staff doesn’t have a system and therefore struggle to identify talent that will excel in whatever it is you call what we do.

 

Nice thing is, It’s a results based business so you get feedback immediately on if your strategies are working or not. Ours aren’t. Fix something.

 

 

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[Jam]

I thought Caleb Love couldn’t be admitted to either Michigan or IU

[Uspshoosier]

5 minutes ago, Jam said:

I thought Caleb Love couldn’t be admitted to either Michigan or IU

He couldn’t.  He committed Michigan and then had to go somewhere else.   Word was once he couldn’t get in to Michigan he  wasn’t getting into IU.    However that would have been the 2nd  time Love had a chance to go to IU and chose to go elsewhere.  3rd time probably wasn’t going to be any different even if his credits would of transferred 

[bird4par]

If I am a good guard, and watch XJ & Galloway shoot, I would not be intimidated by either.  Is there a guard tandem with worse shooting form in the nation?

[Alford Bailey]

2 hours ago, bird4par said:

If I am a good guard, and watch XJ & Galloway shoot, I would not be intimidated by either.  Is there a guard tandem with worse shooting form in the nation?

Two of the ugliest shots in college basketball.