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13 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Long story short...it's not even over yet, and I feel for the kid. All these opinions about what he should or shouldn't do. It's just nonsense. It's his and his family's decision. It will have 0 impact on your life. Does it stink? Sure. But I have a feeling this year's results and "offensive schemes" will be different from the past 3 years. There are some people who would ***** if we went undefeated and won it all. Could have been worse...what if we were eliminated instead of Michigan?

UConn is attractive, especially to a 17 year old. Back to back national champs want me? like really bad? Who could possibly turn that opportunity down? Especially if its what HE and HIS FAMILY think is best. They might be right, might be wrong. It's part of making choices and seeing the results. 

You mean it's not because Mike Woodson didn't show up at one of his sectional games....that can't be.

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1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

You mean it's not because Mike Woodson didn't show up at one of his sectional games....that can't be.

Haha no, that would be people who want the optics to fit their narrative. Someone wondered where he was because others were there, threw it out there, and people who wanted to, ran with it. 

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5 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

You mean it's not because Mike Woodson didn't show up at one of his sectional games....that can't be.

Well, it boils down to personalities and trust to win basketball games.  And recruiting messaging. And whatever Woody is doing in the high school ranks isn’t reverberating.  
 

If he’s being too honest and trying to sell reserve spots to top level kids that might be the disconnect. And I like honesty so long as you end up fielding a team good enough to be near elite.  Gotta figure it out, wherever the disconnect is, and fix it. 

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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Well, it boils down to personalities and trust to win basketball games.  And recruiting messaging. And whatever Woody is doing in the high school ranks isn’t reverberating.  
 

If he’s being too honest and trying to sell reserve spots to top level kids that might be the disconnect. And I like honesty so long as you end up fielding a team good enough to be near elite.  Gotta figure it out, wherever the disconnect is, and fix it. 

Woodson's high school recruiting has been just fine. Back to back B10 FOY, Reneau poised for another big year after making a big freshman to sophomore leap, and by all accounts Tucker is going to be a stud. Had he been a little more aggressive in the portal last year trying to upgrade the backcourt we likely aren't having these discussions. 

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17 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Woodson's high school recruiting has been just fine. Back to back B10 FOY, Reneau poised for another big year after making a big freshman to sophomore leap, and by all accounts Tucker is going to be a stud. Had he been a little more aggressive in the portal last year trying to upgrade the backcourt we likely aren't having these discussions. 

He’s gotten what, 4 high school commitments since November 2021? 3 of those 4 commitments were spring ‘throw money at the player’ recruitments. 

The evidence is crystal clear that he is flat out terrible when it comes to long-term high school recruitments. I’m pretty sure Sisley is the only one of those he’s landed since Cupps committed in November 2021. 

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s gotten what, 4 high school commitments since November 2021? 3 of those 4 commitments were spring ‘throw money at the player’ recruitments. 

The evidence is crystal clear that he is flat out terrible when it comes to long-term high school recruitments. I’m pretty sure Sisley is the only one of those he’s landed since Cupps committed in November 2021. 

Let’s not forget Mgbako’s mother freakin initiated his IU recruitment. And Tucker basically fell into Woody’s lap after Ignite folded their operation. HS recruiting has hardly been “fine” … it’s been different strokes of luck (like Reneau flipping from UF after they fired their coach, he decided to follow his MVA PG JHS). The staff is building the track while the train is riding on it, always reactive and on the back foot. 

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1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s gotten what, 4 high school commitments since November 2021? 3 of those 4 commitments were spring ‘throw money at the player’ recruitments. 

The evidence is crystal clear that he is flat out terrible when it comes to long-term high school recruitments. I’m pretty sure Sisley is the only one of those he’s landed since Cupps committed in November 2021. 

The emphasis on long, drawn out recruitments is no longer a thing. Hurley recruited Mullins for what 3-4 months? The portal allows you to improve your roster every single offseason with proven players rather than relying on 18-10 year old freshman. I'm sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. Staff missed out on Fland and Queen last Fall and ended up with Rice and Ballo instead. Want to wager the latter outperforms the former? I'll let you know how they do as you said you weren't watching this year. 

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The emphasis on long, drawn out recruitments is no longer a thing. Hurley recruited Mullins for what 3-4 months? The portal allows you to improve your roster every single offseason with proven players rather than relying on 18-10 year old freshman. I'm sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. Staff missed out on Fland and Queen last Fall and ended up with Rice and Ballo instead. Want to wager the latter outperforms the former? I'll let you know how they do as you said you weren't watching this year. 

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2 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The emphasis on long, drawn out recruitments is no longer a thing. Hurley recruited Mullins for what 3-4 months? The portal allows you to improve your roster every single offseason with proven players rather than relying on 18-10 year old freshman. I'm sorry this doesn't fit your narrative. Staff missed out on Fland and Queen last Fall and ended up with Rice and Ballo instead. Want to wager the latter outperforms the former? I'll let you know how they do as you said you weren't watching this year. 

You’re real hung up on me saying I’m not watching this year. And considering you think Woodson’s high school recruiting has been “just fine”, I don’t think you’d be the most reliable source on the team’s performance this season.

Neglecting high school recruiting and bringing in 6-7 transfers every year simply isn’t a sustainable practice. But it does give Woodson a built in excuse each year, I.e., “we’re still getting to know each other.” You can’t have it both ways. Either Woodson put in a lot of effort into the Mullins recruitment and whiffed, or he didn’t because “long, drawn-out recruitments is no longer a thing.” Either way, it’s a bad look for Woodson. 

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2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

You’re real hung up on me saying I’m not watching this year. And considering you think Woodson’s high school recruiting has been “just fine”, I don’t think you’d be the most reliable source on the team’s performance this season.

Neglecting high school recruiting and bringing in 6-7 transfers every year simply isn’t a sustainable practice. But it does give Woodson a built in excuse each year, I.e., “we’re still getting to know each other.” You can’t have it both ways. Either Woodson put in a lot of effort into the Mullins recruitment and whiffed, or he didn’t because “long, drawn-out recruitments is no longer a thing.” Either way, it’s a bad look for Woodson. 

Given how the roster is expected to shake out, I would expect 3-4 transfers with only two needing to make an immediate impact. But fear-monger some more, you don't even watch. 

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Let’s not forget Mgbako’s mother freakin initiated his IU recruitment. And Tucker basically fell into Woody’s lap after Ignite folded their operation. HS recruiting has hardly been “fine” … it’s been different strokes of luck (like Reneau flipping from UF after they fired their coach, he decided to follow his MVA PG JHS). The staff is building the track while the train is riding on it, always reactive and on the back foot. 

I can’t help but see that the HS elites see this and shun Woodson like the plague.
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2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:


I can’t help but see that the HS elites see this and shun Woodson like the plague.

I wish we could move this convo to the FMW thread. I think IU with Woodson is just an appealing destination for talented players who, for whatever reason, find themselves without a home late in the cycle.

It’s got plenty of dough, national brand recognition (still, somehow, despite the last 30 years), a coach who… technically… has NBA credentials (and a very real NBA network to his credit), and usually plenty of playing time to offer since we struck out earlier in the cycle / prefer to wait and see what free agents are on the market in the offseason, then plan around who we can get. Not exactly a sustainable system. Probably sounds like a great plan to a lazy and arrogant coach who somehow believes he’s better at his profession than all the cats who have kicked his tail for 3 years.

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1 minute ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Any recruiting site is going to have **** content these days if IU is their topic because almost all of our recruiting begins and ends in a 2 month window in the spring.

He's a hack. Glad that a large portion of this fanbase is starting to catch on. 

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1 hour ago, Home Jersey said:

Let’s not forget Mgbako’s mother freakin initiated his IU recruitment. And Tucker basically fell into Woody’s lap after Ignite folded their operation. HS recruiting has hardly been “fine” … it’s been different strokes of luck (like Reneau flipping from UF after they fired their coach, he decided to follow his MVA PG JHS). The staff is building the track while the train is riding on it, always reactive and on the back foot. 

Maybe so, but why did those kids chose IU when they could have gone anywhere?

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11 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

It pisses me off that Woodson still has no clue. Sure, he can buy pretty much whomever he wants in the portal, at least for the time being. But he continues to demonstrate his lazy approach to HS recruiting.

How many of these kids, who grew up Hoosier fans and dreamed of donning the candy stripes has he lost because he simply doesn’t want to put in the effort to show them that he’s remotely interested in them coming to IU?

Imagine if RMK had ignored him the same extent that is is ignoring these kids…

That is very, very funny comparing Knights days to what happens these days.
Ignore these kids?

Do you really think Knight made numerous home visits, hosted a guy numerous times, went to countless high school games, practices, AAU games, like Woody and the staff did for Sisley, Harrelson and Mullins? 
I have heard many ex-players say Knight visited  their home  (some of them didn’t even get a single home visit) and they then went to IU for a visit, were taken into Knights office and were basically asked “do you want to come here or not”.

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8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

He's a hack. Glad that a large portion of this fanbase is starting to catch on. 

All of those recruiting sites are hacks.  All of them.  They put in the same guesses that any of us could do and then change their guess at the last minute to match where they hear the kid is going.  Rabjohns is no more of a hack than the Trilly Donovan that everyone slobbers all over.  None of those recruiting sites are worth what they charge.

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