IUBB @ Penn State - Wednesday, 1/11/23 @ 7:00 on BTN

[HoosierFan1994 4,788]

Sad but I didn't watch last night. We had our youth group. A month ago they were playing Nebraska on a Wednesday while I was there. I looked a few times at the score and watched a few minutes on Youtube TV. Last night I went in the car and pulled up ESPN and just saw the score. A buddy of mine forgot they even played. Just sad and I hate it. But it's just not appointment tv for me anymore. If I can watch, I'll watch. But if not, it is what it is. I want to know what happened after the UNC game. I get this team was going to struggle a little bit but it shouldn't be like this. 

[str8baller 5,877]

12 minutes ago, HoosierCoop said:

How many times last night did the replay show Kopp packing the lane and leaving a hot shooter wide open?  Too many!!!

You can see in the replays he was like "s***, my guy is open again.  18 3's tells me it didn't register.

It’s extra hilarious because we have one of the best shot blockers  and post players in the country. Guys like kopp, Bates and even Galloway see TJD one on one and think “gee I better go passively help out.”  
 

It’s mind boggling but we’ve done it all year. 

[monskisprodigy 2,060]

17 minutes ago, HoosierCoop said:

How many times last night did the replay show Kopp packing the lane and leaving a hot shooter wide open?  Too many!!!

You can see in the replays he was like "s***, my guy is open again.  18 3's tells me it didn't register.

Not trying to pile on, just making an honest observation….Kopp has extremely slow feet. I can think of four times at least last night where he was beat off the dribble badly, and could not recover, which seems to be a theme game to game. One of those times he was beat so bad the guy was shooting the layup, and he was still standing halfway between the three point line, where the guy originally started, and the basket.
 

Additionally, he tends to over help and several times last night called for a switch that wasn’t needed / didn’t happen, and that left him scrambling back to his guy behind the three point line trying to contest.

This entire team has struggled to switch, with miscommunications galore. It also puts several guys in bad positions to defend outside of their scope, including Kopp. I feel like if you are going switch everything on the defensive end, you have to have a roster for that. Which we don’t IMO.

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18 minutes ago, HoosierCoop said:

How many times last night did the replay show Kopp packing the lane and leaving a hot shooter wide open?  Too many!!!

You can see in the replays he was like "s***, my guy is open again.  18 3's tells me it didn't register.

Innumerable.  His limitations aren't just speed or jumping ability...

[HoosierFan1994 4,788]

I'm not sure which is worse.. the collapse of the 16-17 team or this one.

[reconmkd 4,565]

24 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Innumerable.  His limitations aren't just speed or jumping ability...

I can't find the clip I saw last night, but there was a clip on twitter PSU inbound play under the basket. Miller jogs to the corner to set up on defense on his guy, as he is getting set hes watching something else while his guy takes off behind him. By the time he realizes, his guy is nearly to the other corner. Just like the screen the screener plays, he was not paying any attention to his guy and left them wide open.

We need to reset our defensive strategy to the basics, see your guy, stay on your guy. We switch and help way too much, and most of our guys can't keep up. No more helping on drives with guards or wings, let them drive, we have rim protectors for a reason. Overall, pay attention to your man on defense, move your feet, keep it simple!

[Golfman25 5,917]

5 minutes ago, reconmkd said:

I can't find the clip I saw last night, but there was a clip on twitter PSU inbound play under the basket. Miller jogs to the corner to set up on defense on his guy, as he is getting set hes watching something else while his guy takes off behind him. By the time he realizes, his guy is nearly to the other corner. Just like the screen the screener plays, he was not paying any attention to his guy and left them wide open.

We need to reset our defensive strategy to the basics, see your guy, stay on your guy. We switch and help way too much, and most of our guys can't keep up. No more helping on drives with guards or wings, let them drive, we have rim protectors for a reason. Overall, pay attention to your man on defense, move your feet, keep it simple!

Fk it. Play a zone. :)

[reconmkd 4,565]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

Fk it. Play a zone. :)

Well that would probably have not helped last night as PSU was on fire from 3 and they would have continued to just shoot over it.

[rcbowla 7,243]

Sad but I didn't watch last night. We had our youth group. A month ago they were playing Nebraska on a Wednesday while I was there. I looked a few times at the score and watched a few minutes on Youtube TV. Last night I went in the car and pulled up ESPN and just saw the score. A buddy of mine forgot they even played. Just sad and I hate it. But it's just not appointment tv for me anymore. If I can watch, I'll watch. But if not, it is what it is. I want to know what happened after the UNC game. I get this team was going to struggle a little bit but it shouldn't be like this. 

Good buddy of mine here that is much like me when it comes to IU sports but a bit more optimistic has officially checked out. He never used to miss a game and we'd text back and forth after games. After NW he was done. I asked if he watched last night and his response was a simple "nope". The fan base is in a slow decay. Eventually they will lose the borderline fanatic and are absolutely losing the casual along with potentially new fans.

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[HoosierFan1994 4,788]

4 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Good buddy of mine here that is much like me when it comes to IU sports but a bit more optimistic has officially checked out. He never used to miss a game and we'd text back and forth after games. After NW he was done. I asked if he watched last night and his response was a simple "nope". The fan base is in a slow decay. Eventually they will lose the borderline fanatic and are absolutely losing the casual along with potentially new fans.

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I've accepted that this program isn't a blueblood anymore. Much like Nebraska football. It is what it is. 

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

2 hours ago, pumpfake said:

I appreciate the overall effort Kopp gives, but he's (evidently) limited in how well he can defend.  On offense, he's a capable shooter but has the exact opposite of a "killer instinct".  In fact, no player on this team seems to have it.  We have some guys that can flex and act hard against lesser opponents but go full "*****" against better squads.

That type of winning attitude & resolve isn't learned - it's inate.

I've been yelling about that for some time. He's slow of foot, indecisive, over helps without the ability to recover, and for some reason can't hold onto a basketball on rebounds or just isn't in position. I thought Kopp was your boy for some time on offense.

Typically teams take on the personality of their coach and to some degree the older/better/more experienced players. What you described there (in bold) is exactly what I've been saying for years. When it is the overwhelming majority of players that have that the new/younger players aren't going to change it overnight.

I'd disagree with attitude and resolve being strictly innate. I never played or coached college ball. I have spent a good portion of my life around highly competitive people. Our unit at work played intramural sports (yes I know, it's a completely different level way below college). We had a majority of players that hated to lose, not just at sports but in training, in card games, in work knowledge, in anything really, but had a few that were more passive or newer to the team trying to find their way. We always used to joke when we saw the switch flip and they went full dog against another team. "Yup, we can count on such and such in the field now." It was a way to measure whether we could trust them in other life situations.

I don't see any of that with this team. I see an older player that doesn't really want to be a leader but wants to be accepted and liked. That attitude has trickled over to other players as they've come in and has been a team attitude for awhile. Two coaches haven't been able to change it. It's good talent has lead to great individual talent but that talent doesn't have leadership.

Give me the dogs every day of the week and twice on whatever day we need a win.

[Honkyman 1,670]

13 hours ago, schoosier said:

Gunn plays defense.

Not really. The guy he was guarding hit a 3 during Gunn's 1st minute in the game. Gunn did hit a short jumper but that was it.

[reconmkd 4,565]

17 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

Not really. The guy he was guarding hit a 3 during Gunn's 1st minute in the game. Gunn did hit a short jumper but that was it.

I am pretty sure that everyone's man at some point hit a 3 last night? Well not all but only 4 players for PSU didn't attempt a 3 of which all but one were in the game at garbage time. Gunn may not be there defensively yet, but he seemed to be putting more effort into it than the majority of the rest of the team.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,378]

As if it wasn't bad enough already.

According to the B1G Network, this is the first time IU has gave up 85+ points in 3 straight conference games since the late 1990s.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,733]

36 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

As if it wasn't bad enough already.

According to the B1G Network, this is the first time IU has gave up 85+ points in 3 straight conference games since the late 1990s.

FALSE! We only gave up 84 to NW so I guess things aren't actually that bad!!

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[Chris007 47,801]

6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

He's missing a good one where JG is spinning around in circles looking for his man, and his man is wide open at the 3-point line but JG has his back to him. It might be one of the last ones. 

[str8baller 5,877]

Is Leal still hurt? Why hasn’t he played? He’s not a frosh and plays defense.