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59 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

No way on Beard. 

So May has had 1 good NCAA run and is so far having a good season but if he didn't have an IU connection would you and a few others still be drooling over him and panicking that another school might hire him first?

I’m not a huge goody two shoes when it comes to these things, but I can’t image supporting a coach that put his hands on a woman. Maybe there’s more to the story, but as of today I’d be disappointed in a Beard hire.  
 

And I actually don’t disagree with your point about May. He’s far from a sure thing. He’s built a really nice roster. I’d be interested to see what happens next year. Maybe he’s the real deal or maybe he recruited the heck out of this current squad. 
 

I remember watching Texas A&M when Billy Clyde thinking they were fun to watch, tough and as smart as anyone. Plus he built that program up, right? It turns out he just amazing upperclassman guards and he has never replicated that again. 
 

I like the thought of May. I understand why everyone is jazzed up about him. I’d need more data points to say he was any sorta sure thing. 

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57 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

And the ugly divorce scenario is the absolute last thing this program needs. The next coach needs to be coming into a stable situation with everything he needs for success, mainly so he doesn't get a built-in excuse of needing time to fix things. If we push Woodson out the door and it gets ugly, then we've basically wasted three more years. 

There would have to be a conversation and no way there wasn't one before he was hired unless Dolson was that incompetent at the time. It should have been a point going into his tenure that he's a short time solution to scout the next guy.

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

There would have to be a conversation and no way there wasn't one before he was hired unless Dolson was that incompetent at the time. It should have been a point going into his tenure that he's a short time solution to scout the next guy.

What would this conversation have looked like in your opinion? Woodson was hired for 6 seasons per Wikipedia. Dolson would tell him that if we find someone better after the 3rd season you are done?

Not saying you aren't correct in some way, I just can't wrap my head around Dolson telling Woodson he may be done at IU after half of his contract, especially if he were to make 3 tournaments in a row - which after the final Crean seasons and the entire Archie tenure  - was a welcome sight

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45 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

would argue that if May has another good tournament run this year he is a better candidate than Brad Stevens.  Butler was an established, good program

That’s gonna be a minority take. Butler was established but Stevens took them to another level. He also went to back to back championship games after losing his best player.   
 

He had almost universal recognition in the college world as the best young coach and a top coach with Xs and Os . So much so that one of the best gm’s in the nba was willing to reach down and make him the head coach of one of the nba’s most storied programs. Then in the ensuing power struggle that franchise decided to oust that gm in favor of Stevens.  
 

I dislike the guy as much as the next fan for playing us last time around, but he’s as close to a sure thing as there is outside of maybe Billy Donavan. If Scheyer doesn’t work out, I bet Duke throws a brinks truck at him in a couple years. 

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3 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

What would this conversation have looked like in your opinion? Woodson was hired for 6 seasons per Wikipedia. Dolson would tell him that if we find someone better after the 3rd season you are done?

Not saying you aren't correct in some way, I just can't wrap my head around Dolson telling Woodson he may be done at IU after half of his contract, especially if he were to make 3 tournaments in a row - which after the final Crean seasons and the entire Archie tenure  - was a welcome sight

Ummm... Yes. It's not a "you suck, get out" conversation. It's "hey, if the next guy is there for the taking, we are going to need you to understand if moves are made. We need you to put university and this program above yourself." It should have been made clear whether it be 3, 4, 5 or 6 years. Woody was here to stabilize and connect past/present. That's it. Anything more is great but that's why he was brought in. But Indiana can't be thinking short term of 1 or two years down the road, they need to be thinking 5+ down the road. Indiana has screwed themselves on "being the nice guy" in this century too many times. No way Pitino didn't have interest in the job but nope, gotta stick with Davis. Sampson? Nah just throw yourself into the abyss, no need for any help. We were bad so we will jump. Crean? Should have been fired after year 3 and hired Stevens. Archie? Probably should have been fired after year 2 or 3. But Indiana loves being nice and mediocre.

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If Dolson hired someone Woodson's age without a plan to move on then he is completely incompetent. Not only should he have a plan he should account the possibility of having to go after his preferred target before Woodson's contract expires; at his age both sides have to be well aware it's a stop gap. Less is malpractice.

Edit: I'll add that after how poorly managed this program has been we would replace Glass with a bigger doofus.

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2 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That’s gonna be a minority take. Butler was established but Stevens took them to another level. He also went to back to back championship games after losing his best player.   
 

He had almost universal recognition in the college world as the best young coach and a top coach with Xs and Os . So much so that one of the best gm’s in the nba was willing to reach down and make him the head coach of one of the nba’s most storied programs. Then in the ensuing power struggle that franchise decided to oust that gm in favor of Stevens.  
 

I dislike the guy as much as the next fan for playing us last time around, but he’s as close to a sure thing as there is outside of maybe Billy Donavan. If Scheyer doesn’t work out, I bet Duke throws a brinks truck at him in a couple years. 

No doubt, and I’m not dismissing what Stevens did or his coaching talent.  But I think what May has done is at least as impressive.  It amounts to much more than just one great tournament run when you’re talking about a school at the level of a Florida Atlantic.

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6 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

What would this conversation have looked like in your opinion?

“Woody, you’re an IU legend on and off the court. We’re forever indebted to you for rescuing us in our time of need. We’d like to move on with your approval. We’ll keep you on as a basketball prof emeritus through your contract and then for $1mil/yr after that plus pay for your membership at Crooked Stick.” Lol…. 
 

Not an easy conversation or one I’d want. That’s why Dolson gets paid the big bucks. I’d probably beg Quinn Buckner to do it. :)

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1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

I like May but what has he done that is any different that what Crean did before coming to IU.

May didn't have D. Wade to ride the team to the FF. May actually had to coach a bunch of kids that aren't lottery picks. 

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10 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Ummm... Yes. It's not a "you suck, get out" conversation. It's "hey, if the next guy is there for the taking, we are going to need you to understand if moves are made. We need you to put university and this program above yourself." It should have been made clear whether it be 3, 4, 5 or 6 years. Woody was here to stabilize and connect past/present. That's it. Anything more is great but that's why he was brought in. But Indiana can't be thinking short term of 1 or two years down the road, they need to be thinking 5+ down the road. Indiana has screwed themselves on "being the nice guy" in this century too many times. No way Pitino didn't have interest in the job but nope, gotta stick with Davis. Sampson? Nah just throw yourself into the abyss, no need for any help. We were bad so we will jump. Crean? Should have been fired after year 3 and hired Stevens. Archie? Probably should have been fired after year 2 or 3. But Indiana loves being nice and mediocre.

Probably right, just with Woodson talking about conference and national championships, he doesn’t strike me as someone who’d just step aside without obtaining either of those goals

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1 minute ago, kreigh8 said:

Probably right, just with Woodson talking about conference and national championships, he doesn’t strike me as someone who’d just step aside without obtaining either of those goals

He can talk about it, he's just not going to get us anywhere near national title contention and hard to say about B1G title contention because it's clearly running through Purdue for now.

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30 minutes ago, str8baller said:

I’m not a huge goody two shoes when it comes to these things, but I can’t image supporting a coach that put his hands on a woman. Maybe there’s more to the story, but as of today I’d be disappointed in a Beard hire.  
 

And I actually don’t disagree with your point about May. He’s far from a sure thing. He’s built a really nice roster. I’d be interested to see what happens next year. Maybe he’s the real deal or maybe he recruited the heck out of this current squad. 
 

I remember watching Texas A&M when Billy Clyde thinking they were fun to watch, tough and as smart as anyone. Plus he built that program up, right? It turns out he just amazing upperclassman guards and he has never replicated that again. 
 

I like the thought of May. I understand why everyone is jazzed up about him. I’d need more data points to say he was any sorta sure thing. 

That's pretty much where I'm at on May. He may be the real deal but he may not, I'd just like to see another season or two. 

Certainly don't force Woodson out to hire May in a panic that he might be hired elsewhere.

As far as Beard, if he was hired I'd stop watching IU and would actively root against them until he was fired.

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5 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

It amounts to much more than just one great tournament run when you’re talking about a school at the level of a Florida Atlantic.

What about Andy Enfeild’s run at FGCU? We might be able to pry him from USC.  
 

Or shaka Smart who elevated  that VCU program. We could outbid Marquette…we know that for a fact. Same with Porter Moser. 
 

Brian Dutcher at SDSU? 
 

Thad Matta? 
 

Frank Martin?   
 

There’s a lot of guys who built smaller programs and made a run. We could have our pick of a few, if we want to get guys successful at non-P5 schools. 
 

 

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6 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

That's pretty much where I'm at on May. He may be the real deal but he may not, I'd just like to see another season or two. 

Certainly don't force Woodson out to hire May in a panic that he might be hired elsewhere.

As far as Beard, if he was hired I'd stop watching IU and would actively root against them until he was fired.

Well if we hired Beard, we'd all be happy win ing while you had your pity party.

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1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well if we hired Beard, we'd all be happy win ing while you had your pity party.

Yeah the women issue is a big deal.  Can't expect a university with some standards to employ someone like that.  Otherwise I'm all in for hiring anyone that gives us a way better chance of winning.  

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All I know is that team went toe to toe with a Arizona team that beat the junk out of us last year.  Two overtimes they never looked out of their league and stayed composed. Plus the spacing they had with each other was a sight to see. 

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14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well if we hired Beard, we'd all be happy win ing while you had your pity party.

Abuse is rarely a one time thing and with how extreme what he did was, there is little reason to think so in this case. That sports are more important that that to you tells me all I need to know. 

Even before the abuse came out, this fanbase had overrated him. At the P5 level he has a total of 1 season with less than 10 losses. He couldn't sustain the success he found early at his time at A&M.

Luckily, I don't have to worry about this as the IU administration won't hire him.

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29 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

As far as Beard, if he was hired I'd stop watching IU and would actively root against them until he was fired.

 

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18 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Well if we hired Beard, we'd all be happy win ing while you had your pity party.

Maybe. Or maybe the same group of Indiana HS coaches who soured on Davis, and thought Crean was an over-recruiting dork, and god knows what they thought of Archie would decide Beard is a d1ckhead and steer players away from him. Then the flagship university in the most crazed basketball state with one of the most fertile recruiting grounds loses its most built in structural advantage. That’s been the death knell for every IU coach post-Knight.  
 

Then we’re just stuck cheering on a wife-beater who can’t win titles at IU. Talk about ruining your already diminishing brand. We’d be lucky to get Hanovers coach next. 

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And the ugly divorce scenario is the absolute last thing this program needs. The next coach needs to be coming into a stable situation with everything he needs for success, mainly so he doesn't get a built-in excuse of needing time to fix things. If we push Woodson out the door and it gets ugly, then we've basically wasted three more years. 

If he is an interm coach why would he be adverse to stepping aside after three years?

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