*RANT HERE*

[IU_FanClub]

4 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Wow that is worse than I would have ever imagined

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It also means nothing

[craigyv88]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

We have had multiple coaching searches where we have asked agents if their clients would be interested and they've said no.

I get discouraged at times but I try and go back to this.  I 100% believe this statement.  In 2021 we were coming off a 12-15 season and hadn't been to the tournament since the Obama administration.  I think Dolson handled it the best way possible given what was realistic at the time.  Go to Brad Stevens and make him say no, and when he ultimately does then pivot to the most viable IU alum because going that route hadn't been tried and it would be the pool of people that actually wanted the job.  We needed someone to first bring tournament appearances, general interest/excitement, and wins against Purdue back to the program and despite some of his teams' shortcomings Woody has done that.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

58 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

As long as we don't do any nonsense the next 3 games, we will be going into the new year with a clean sheet. Nothing to hold us up or down and a schedule ahead of us against a lot of teams that are more than beatable. I am excited. We are not where we need to be yet but I think this is an important year to have a productive season to fully stabilize the program and hopefully add some more pieces for next season.

We have something holding us down. The fact we have zero good wins in the non conference and the fact in 2 of the 3 games against tourney teams on neutral courts, we got laughed off the court in embarrassing fashion on national television.

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

We have something holding us down. The fact we have zero good wins in the non conference and the fact in 2 of the 3 games against tourney teams on neutral courts, we got laughed off the court in embarrassing fashion on national television.

Well at least it wasn't Pepperdine....

[Hornsby]

Unfortunately I feel your right.  Our only real hope is that we get Dusty May and he turns out to be a great coach.  Certainly possible.  But IU will never go out and hire a sure fire winner like Pearl or Drew.  We're way too holy for that.

Correct we don't touch proven winners we go the archie miller route.

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[Hornsby]

It’ll take a perfect storm for IU to become elite again. We basically will need to find a GOAT-level coach, but we’ll have to find him before he’s GOAT-level because a coach already at that level will never come to IU and deal with our restrictions. I don’t think Woodson is terrible, but he’s not elite either. He’s not a good enough coach to win at an elite level with the rosters he recruits. And the rosters we bring in are, in part, because the IU administration throws roadblocks in our coaches’ way. We intentionally handicap ourselves and then wonder why it’s such a struggle to be a consistent winner. But hey, even though we lose, at least we can boast about how we lose the right way. 

To me Woodson is Fran at iowa without the yelling. Fran results are what 15 years of Woodson would look like at iu.

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[Hornsby]

People always talk about IU administration being too holy but it's also mighty holy to think we could just go out and get Pearl or Drew. Those guys have built great situations, make a lot of money, their older so why would they want to come to IU? We have had multiple coaching searches where we have asked agents if their clients would be interested and they've said no. The playing field is level these days, all the advantages IU used to have are gone. But we still like to say just go out and get so and so. I guess I just don't get it. 

Have we ever actually tried to get any of them though? That would be my question. Did we try and get drew and pearl before Woodson? My guess is no.

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[Kentuckysucks]

11 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Have we ever actually tried to get any of them though? That would be my question. Did we try and get drew and pearl before Woodson? My guess is no.

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I asked Chris on here about Pearl, Drew, Marshall, and Pitino shortly after we hired Woody.  He responded saying IU was far too holy to ever consider those 4.  

I'm sure we reached out to BS, Donovan, Oats, etc but we're not getting those guys.  The sure fire winners we could land will have some baggage.  That's really what I'm hitting at.  Think Chris Beard who would win big here and would likely crawl to Bloomington.

[Uspshoosier]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

People always talk about IU administration being too holy but it's also mighty holy to think we could just go out and get Pearl or Drew. Those guys have built great situations, make a lot of money, their older so why would they want to come to IU? We have had multiple coaching searches where we have asked agents if their clients would be interested and they've said no. The playing field is level these days, all the advantages IU used to have are gone. But we still like to say just go out and get so and so. I guess I just don't get it. 

Did you listen to Pearl talk about Indiana in press conferences before IUs game with Auburn?    You could tell he had great respect for the program as a whole and called it his dream job earlier in his career.   IU would never go after him but that guy would be high on my list.    Say what you want about him but he is a  good coach and more importantly great program builder.    Does he have his flaws or flags.  Yep but time changes people and he isn’t the same person that he was when he first started out.   Those worried about his character and such won’t have to worry because IU would never hire him but in my opinion if they did it wouldn’t take him long to get it to where he has Auburn heading  

[Uspshoosier]

2 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I believe I heard Torvik statistically gives Indiana a 6.5% chance of making the tournament as things stand.   

I like Torvik a lot but that tournament tracker isn’t the greatest indicator.   IU tournament chances would be way higher than that as we stand today.   If he would have said IUs chances of getting a top 4 seed was 6.5% then I would agree but just to make the tourney  that low of percentage isn’t close.     All IU has shown this year is they can’t compete against teams that are projected top 3 seeds.  2 are going to be National champion contenders with the 3rd team on the tier right below that.    IU does have a true road win against a top 70 team which most teams so far don’t have.    Lots of work to be done but they are no where near that low of percentage away from being a tourney team.     My personal opinion is IU ceiling is probably a 7 seed.   Most likely 8-12 seed.   Lots of time left to build the resume 

[Chris007]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Did you listen to Pearl talk about Indiana in press conferences before IUs game with Auburn?    You could tell he had great respect for the program as a whole and called it his dream job earlier in his career.   IU would never go after him but that guy would be high on my list.    Say what you want about him but he is a  good coach and more importantly great program builder.    Does he have his flaws or flags.  Yep but time changes people and he isn’t the same person that he was when he first started out.   Those worried about his character and such won’t have to worry because IU would never hire him but in my opinion if they did it wouldn’t take him long to get it to where he has Auburn heading  

Yes, I did. I think he is a great coach and loves the way his teams play. I just think why would he leave Auburn to come to IU? Yeah, this was his dream job 20 years ago but he has a great program with a lot less pressure at Auburn these days. It's a lateral move

[Golfman25]

3 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

I'll preface this with I think Woody getting fired at any point means way more bad for the program than good.

 

If at some point Woody is gone, I'm not really sure I see the "restrictions" everyone is talking about. I know in the past the admin absolutely did throw every roadblock imaginable but it is an insane thing to say that at the modern time we aren't "playing the game". The University seems to have zero issue with NIL and look at what they're starting to do with football. Now I will agree that we are still too holier than thou on looking at a coach with maybe some past violations but in reality during the last search we probably got told no more than any of us would like to admit. 

It's been quite clear for some time that it's the cheer leader uniforms.

[coonhounds]

I like Torvik a lot but that tournament tracker isn’t the greatest indicator.   IU tournament chances would be way higher than that as we stand today.   If he would have said IUs chances of getting a top 4 seed was 6.5% then I would agree but just to make the tourney  that low of percentage isn’t close.     All IU has shown this year is they can’t compete against teams that are projected top 3 seeds.  2 are going to be National champion contenders with the 3rd team on the tier right below that.    IU does have a true road win against a top 70 team which most teams so far don’t have.    Lots of work to be done but they are no where near that low of percentage away from being a tourney team.     My personal opinion is IU ceiling is probably a 7 seed.   Most likely 8-12 seed.   Lots of time left to build the resume 

Thanks. I was standing on the edge of the cliff but figured I would check btownbanners 1 last time. I read this post and am back on my way down!

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[Rico]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes, I did. I think he is a great coach and loves the way his teams play. I just think why would he leave Auburn to come to IU? Yeah, this was his dream job 20 years ago but he has a great program with a lot less pressure at Auburn these days. It's a lateral move

Can Pearl win a title at Auburn?

[Uspshoosier]

Just now, Chris007 said:

Yes, I did. I think he is a great coach and loves the way his teams play. I just think why would he leave Auburn to come to IU? Yeah, this was his dream job 20 years ago but he has a great program with a lot less pressure at Auburn these days. It's a lateral move

Easy answer is college coaches especially the successful ones have big egos.   They think they are the reason they can turn something around.  They can be the coach that takes IU to a level they haven’t been.  Take Auburn to the final 4 and you have the states attention until football starts but take IU back to the final 4 and have an entire state wrapped in your hand.   Lateral move or not the payoff for winning at IU compared to Auburn would be bigger.   Not happening but that would be a reason why he would take on the challenge 

[Hovadipo]

5 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I like Torvik a lot but that tournament tracker isn’t the greatest indicator.   IU tournament chances would be way higher than that as we stand today.   If he would have said IUs chances of getting a top 4 seed was 6.5% then I would agree but just to make the tourney  that low of percentage isn’t close.

It's based on his projections which have us finishing 17-14 (10-10) which

1) DONT AGREE

2) Every thread becomes the rant thread and it's warranted.

[Golfman25]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

We're not even to Christmas and you have us out of the tourney and terrible next year. Is Mick Cronin doing much better than Alford?

I think it's very few people who are turning on Woody but I think I know why those people are. 

Time to start that fire woodson thread.  :)  

[Hornsby]

I asked Chris on here about Pearl, Drew, Marshall, and Pitino shortly after we hired Woody.  He responded saying IU was far too holy to ever consider those 4.  
I'm sure we reached out to BS, Donovan, Oats, etc but we're not getting those guys.  The sure fire winners we could land will have some baggage.  That's really what I'm hitting at.  Think Chris Beard who would win big here and would likely crawl to Bloomington.

Yep that's my point people claim we cannot get them but we do not even try to get them. If somebody had the money to get archie fired I am sure they would have money to get Drew or beard. Iu just is to holy for them. Keep losing but do it the right way. Lol.

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[Golfman25]

39 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

To me Woodson is Fran at iowa without the yelling. Fran results are what 15 years of Woodson would look like at iu.

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Woodson ain't going to be around for 15 years.  That the beauty of the hire.  Get and experienced coach, former player loved by most, and set a foundation.  Once the foundation is set -- he retires having "righted the ship" and find the guy who is going to take you to the promised land.  

[Golfman25]

29 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

 Think Chris Beard who would win big here and would likely crawl to Bloomington.

Sure, but would that be because he drank too much the night before. :)