2022-2023 IUBB Roster Projection

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, 5fouls said:

The depth of the roster, especially in the frontcourt if TJD stays, is going to be huge.  How many times last season did we see Race totally worn down at the end of the game?

It won't have to simply be the Trayce and Race show next season.  You can have Trayce give max effort for 30 minutes and Race max effort for 25.

Geronimo, Duncomb, and the freshmen will all be contributors off the bench.  I have to think Woodson has a plan for Duncomb, and has shared that with Logan, or he would not still be there.

In the backcourt, I still think you need X for 30 minutes a night as long as he stays out of foul trouble.  JHS and Bates for 20-25 minutes a night each.  I'm leaning towards both of them starting.

Galloway will need to score better to get more than 15-20 minutes a game.  Kopp may slip to 10-15 minutes depending on matchups and injuries. 

I think CJ Gunn will surprise, but could be caught in a minutes crunch.  Could be this team's Geronimo, the guy a lot of fans think should play more.  Leal is the guy who will play 30 when he's asked to play 30 and be just as supportive if he's not in the gameplan for that night.

Of course, I have no real idea how it will play out, and injuries can and will shake things up on a game to game basis.  But, I do know I am as excited as I have been in a long time about the direction of the team.

 

Excellent post. And great to see regular contributions from you 5fouls!

BTW, Gallo averaged 20.6 mpg last season with no jump shot. Woody clearly trusts him. I'd expect his minutes to stay at 20 or go up, not down. I think that JHS and Bates' (increased) minutes will come from Stewart and Phinisee's minutes, and JG's minutes increase will largely come from Kopp.

As stated, injuries will definitely adjust the minutes allotment too.

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

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[RaceToTheTop]

15 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Excellent post. And great to see regular contributions from you 5fouls!

BTW, Gallo averaged 20.6 mpg last season with no jump shot. Woody clearly trusts him. I'd expect his minutes to stay at 20 or go up, not down. I think that JHS and Bates' (increased) minutes will come from Stewart and Phinisee's minutes, and JG's minutes increase will largely come from Kopp.

As stated, injuries will definitely adjust the minutes allotment too.

 

I am a Galloway fan, but I am expecting to see him around the 15 minute mark next season.  But….if he gains a jumper, he’s pretty hard to keep off the floor.

[BGleas]

I will be extremely surprised if Galloway's minutes go down next year. I see very few plausible scenarios where that happens. 

He was one of our most important players last season. There was a reason he was often in our closing lineups and a reason things went south when he was injured. 

I tend to think his talents are best suited in a 6th man role, but I also think it's more likely he starts than his minutes go down. 

He's so important to what IU does and I think having JHS along with XJ actually helps him. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

6 minutes ago, BGleas said:

I will be extremely surprised if Galloway's minutes go down next year. I see very few plausible scenarios where that happens. 

He was one of our most important players last season. There was a reason he was often in our closing lineups and a reason things went south when he was injured. 

I tend to think his talents are best suited in a 6th man role, but I also think it's more likely he starts than his minutes go down. 

He's so important to what IU does and I think having JHS along with XJ actually helps him. 

The converse of this, is JHS offers a lot of the same attributes.  With shooting being a question mark too.  It’s going to be hard to play X, JHS, Galloway at the same time unless 2 of the 3 become shooting threats.  Bates, when I watch him has the potential to be the multitalented scoring guard, clutch shooter type.  I love his potential.  He needs to play more.  He was forcing some things last year to try to earn more PT.  
 

 

[Honkyman]

23 minutes ago, BGleas said:

He's so important to what IU does and I think having JHS along with XJ actually helps him. 

Galloway has to start hitting outside shots to warrant significant playing time. He provides energy so he is an ideal bench player. But he should not be starting.

[BGleas]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

The converse of this, is JHS offers a lot of the same attributes.  With shooting being a question mark too.  It’s going to be hard to play X, JHS, Galloway at the same time unless 2 of the 3 become shooting threats.  Bates, when I watch him has the potential to be the multitalented scoring guard, clutch shooter type.  I love his potential.  He needs to play more.  He was forcing some things last year to try to earn more PT.  
 

 

Like I said, I think Galloway's attributes are probably best as the 6th man, so if he made a leap I could see Bates grabbing a starting spot next to XJ and JHS. If Bates doesn't make a huge leap, then you have Galloway and Bates getting minutes behind XJ, JHS and Kopp (who will play less minutes whether he starts or not). 

Plenty of guard/wing minutes for both Galloway and Bates. 

But again, I see very few, if any, plausible scenarios where Galloway's minutes go down. Outside of shooting, he does so many other things at a high level. 

[BGleas]

1 minute ago, Honkyman said:

Galloway has to start hitting outside shots to warrant significant playing time. He provides energy so he is an ideal bench player. But he should not be starting.

He already warrants significant playing time. He was in most of our best lineups last season. 

[Honkyman]

23 minutes ago, BGleas said:

He already warrants significant playing time

A team that hopes to improve and compete for a conference title can't start a shooting guard who can't shoot. 

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Honkyman said:

A team that hopes to improve and compete for a conference title can't start a shooting guard who can't shoot. 

So... if TG starts, we won't be improved, automatically? 

[Honkyman]

1 minute ago, btownqb said:

So... if TG starts, we won't be improved, automatically? 

With new players coming in and the likelihood that Tamar Bates plays more to his potential, some players that had significant playing time this past season will not play as much next season.  Players fall back in playing time from one year to the next. You have to like Galloway's hustle and energy. But his shooting form is awful and unless he fixes his outside shooting others who can hit those shots will be playing instead. I predict by next season's end, his playing time will not be what it was at the end of last season.

[CSP]

Just now, Honkyman said:

With new players coming in and the likelihood that Tamar Bates plays more to his potential, some players that had significant playing time this past season will not play as much next season.  Players fall back in playing time from one year to the next. You have to like Galloway's hustle and energy. But his shooting form is awful and unless he fixes his outside shooting others who can hit those shots will be playing instead. I predict by next season's end, his playing time will not be what it was at the end of last season.

Yeah, I don't agree with much of that.. that's ok though! We will definitely see! 

[BGleas]

1 hour ago, Honkyman said:

A team that hopes to improve and compete for a conference title can't start a shooting guard who can't shoot. 

Like I said, I think he's the 6th man. I also don't consider him a "shooting guard", if that's even a thing anymore. 

[BGleas]

1 hour ago, Honkyman said:

With new players coming in and the likelihood that Tamar Bates plays more to his potential, some players that had significant playing time this past season will not play as much next season.  Players fall back in playing time from one year to the next. You have to like Galloway's hustle and energy. But his shooting form is awful and unless he fixes his outside shooting others who can hit those shots will be playing instead. I predict by next season's end, his playing time will not be what it was at the end of last season.

There's a lot more to the game than shooting, and Galloway does almost all of the other facets better than any wing we have. 

There was a reason we were winning until he got hurt, then we won when he came back from the wrist, then went on a swoon in February when he hurt the groin, and then finally started winning again when he came back in March. 

The guys wins. The guys plays good defense, is our best play maker in transition, plays with pace, and creates and finishes at the rim. 

He'll keep his regular 6th man minutes and pick up some of Phinisee's minutes. I really can't see any scenario where his minutes go down. 

Bates will fight Kopp for the other wing minutes with Galloway in the mix there as well, and JHS will pick up Stewart's minutes and probably some of Phinisee's as well. 

[IUFAN1976]

11 minutes ago, BGleas said:

There's a lot more to the game than shooting, and Galloway does almost all of the other facets better than any wing we have. 

There was a reason we were winning until he got hurt, then we won when he came back from the wrist, then went on a swoon in February when he hurt the groin, and then finally started winning again when he came back in March. 

The guys wins. The guys plays good defense, is our best play maker in transition, plays with pace, and creates and finishes at the rim. 

He'll keep his regular 6th man minutes and pick up some of Phinisee's minutes. I really can't see any scenario where his minutes go down. 

Bates will fight Kopp for the other wing minutes with Galloway in the mix there as well, and JHS will pick up Stewart's minutes and probably some of Phinisee's as well. 

Kopp may start but his minutes will greatly decrease, unless he shoots the 3 better

[BGleas]

Just now, IUFAN1976 said:

Kopp may start but his minutes will greatly decrease, unless he shoots the 3 better

Agree that his minutes will decrease, how much will depend like you said on how well he shoots and also how much a guy like Bates improves. 

[cthomas]

I respect everyone's opinion here. A lot of good reasons for what is being debated. I think CMW already has a pretty good idea of how he wants to use the guys we have. He recruited the incoming guys with a specific plan in mind. I think we will see a lot of them next season. From what I saw last season, CMW obviously sees value in both Kopp and Galloway. I don't think that changes. He also really likes the freshmen. It will be up the guys on the team to sort out the details over the summer and fall. I have to think the competition for playing time is going to be better than we have seen for a long time. That is a very good thing.

[Honkyman]

If Jordan Hulls can help Galloway with his 3-point shooting, Trey will be able to keep his playing time where it was last season.

[PB1230]

13 hours ago, BGleas said:

Agree that his minutes will decrease, how much will depend like you said on how well he shoots and also how much a guy like Bates improves. 

Although, Kopp's minutes were already pretty limited for a starter. While he did average 25 a game on the season, it was probably closer to 20 when Galloway/Phin were healthy.

Also, there is a huge misconception that Kopp is a 3 point specialist. 55% of his shot attempts this year were 3s and during all his years at NW it was never above 50%. And 36% is a reasonable 3 point shooting percentage, the biggest issue with Kopp this year was that he was struggling with 2 point shots, and ended up standing around on the perimeter way too much as a result making him easier to guard

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Although, Kopp's minutes were already pretty limited for a starter. While he did average 25 a game on the season, it was probably closer to 20 when Galloway/Phin were healthy.

Also, there is a huge misconception that Kopp is a 3 point specialist. 55% of his shot attempts this year were 3s and during all his years at NW it was never above 50%. And 36% is a reasonable 3 point shooting percentage, the biggest issue with Kopp this year was that he was struggling with 2 point shots, and ended up standing around on the perimeter way too much as a result making him easier to guard

 

If Miller Kopp isn't almost entirely a three point specialist then we're using him wrong on offense.

He should be spotting up on the perimeter and waiting for a kick-out pass when a driver or post player draws a double.