Hoosier Fan Fest

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

It's not legal for schools to pay players and it's not legal to give a kid nil $ to come, or to stay. If you sign a 4 year contract with JHS I don't believe remaining a student at Indiana can be a condition of the contract.

What's legal is for the student to get paid for their name, image and likeness in various ways.

Indiana doesn't (didn't) have people sitting around with the illegal $ ready to hand out. Cheating schools did. so they just hand it out now.  

Hoosiers that don't want to cheat aren't going to apportion recruitment $.

 

 

Huh? Isn’t a portion of the schools calendar/schedule poster sales going to the players? 
 

the rules were never enforced before and NIL essentially wiped them away - it’s open season for handouts. 
 

it’s about precedent and benchmarks this season. Every recruit will ask “what financial opportunities exist at IU via NIL?” We need strong benchmarks to share - other schools will

[Stuhoo 80,548]

Just watched the full 15 minute video of the 3pt shooting contest.

Makes my heart glad to see Miller, Parker, Scoop, and Durr shooting the ball.

Miller Kopp’s stroke is pure. He is a shooter that will always repeat with success. Wide open he’ll be well over 50%. Best stroke we’ve had since the Crean era ended.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

10 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Huh? Isn’t a portion of the schools calendar/schedule poster sales going to the players? 
 

the rules were never enforced before and NIL essentially wiped them away - it’s open season for handouts. 
 

it’s about precedent and benchmarks this season. Every recruit will ask “what financial opportunities exist at IU via NIL?” We need strong benchmarks to share - other schools will

The posters printing and distribution company has partnered with a firm representing all basketball players to get NIL $ for the players from poster sales.

It is about benchmarks but teams who did cheat will have an advantage.

[Hovadipo 56,000]

Looked like a good time was had by all. Small crowd was probably a massive advantage for logistic reasons. Easy autograph lines. 

[DChoosier 8,348]

52 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Huh? Isn’t a portion of the schools calendar/schedule poster sales going to the players? 
 

the rules were never enforced before and NIL essentially wiped them away - it’s open season for handouts. 
 

it’s about precedent and benchmarks this season. Every recruit will ask “what financial opportunities exist at IU via NIL?” We need strong benchmarks to share - other schools will

The NIL money is not directly from the schools. The cheating “under the table” money also was not from the schools. The cheating money was primarily  from big money boosters and the shoe companies.

Now that there is NIL those same cheating business owning boosters (and any business owners etc) can openly pay a kid to make an appearance at their store/dealership/business. They can openly go a a guy that has a podcast, like the one hosted by AJ Guyton, and say “if you have a weekly show each year with incoming freshman we will pay each freshman, and your show, 10k to have them advertise our restaurants /insurance company/car dealership/legal practice, etc.  If boosters consistently do things like that, year after year, players will know that going to IU or Bama or UK will be worth at least 40, 75 or 100k.  The school itself does not provide the money but the previously under the table bags of money can now be out in the open.  I just saw that a UK freshman signed a deal with a local Porsche dealership which includes him driving a brand new 80-100k car and it it completely legal now.

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

55 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

The NIL money is not directly from the schools. The cheating “under the table” money also was not from the schools. The cheating money was primarily  from big money boosters and the shoe companies.

Now that there is NIL those same cheating business owning boosters (and any business owners etc) can openly pay a kid to make an appearance at their store/dealership/business. They can openly go a a guy that has a podcast, like the one hosted by AJ Guyton, and say “if you have a weekly show each year with incoming freshman we will pay each freshman, and your show, 10k to have them advertise our restaurants /insurance company/car dealership/legal practice, etc.  If boosters consistently do things like that, year after year, players will know that going to IU or Bama or UK will be worth at least 40, 75 or 100k.  The school itself does not provide the money but the previously under the table bags of money can now be out in the open.  I just saw that a UK freshman signed a deal with a local Porsche dealership which includes him driving a brand new 80-100k car and it it completely legal now.

99% here. Yes, IU needs to step up its NIL game. This didn’t just happen, the writing has been on the wall for years. IU has had a ton of time to think, explore and implement. The posters were just one example of how the school can pay the kids - they give their NIL to that company to make and sell the posters.

beyond that, IU needs to higher an ad sales exec of some kind to promote the kids and their interests. These kids can sign deals with agencies and such but some national agency isn’t going to have the local contacts and ability to sell these kids to Porsche dealers, restaurants etc like an IU sales rep would. That role is a must

[DWB 1,098]

To me, there are 2 issues concerning NIL $$. (1) Getting money to players "legally". (2) Using players to advertise your business to bring in more business.

If I'm a booster willing to pay money to players, and if I don't care about trying to use them to advertise my business, then I'll find a way to use them with or without endorsing my business/product. (Personally I've never bought any product because some celebrity endorsed it) So for me, #2 is not a necessity. It may be "convenient" to do in order to funnel money to the players, but probably won't bring significant returns over and above my other marketing efforts. There are other ways to contract a player to justify the money paid.

But, if I'm a business person thinking that a player's endorsement would help my business, then some type of ad representation would be appropriate. My question is, if I'm Andy Mohr in Indy, do I really think that TJD endorsing my dealerships will bring in more business? I would say doubtful. But it might be a convenient way to pay TJD knowing that it wouldn't hurt my business either. But there are likely other ways to get payment to players other than endorsements or appearing in ads. So I'm not sure about having an ad agency represent the players. But I would like to see someone on athletic director's staff to "filter" potential offers...not to say yeah or nay, but to warn the athlete (no matter what the sport) if it is questionable. These kids don't have the time to do their own due diligence. 

I think there is already some sort of business arrangement thru the athletic dept for a company that advises on NIL stuff for the players, but not sure. I know that Leal & Kopp are using 10/31 marketing (?) to assist them.

[landrus13 33]

This is a really depressing thread to read. So much negativity. 

[MikeRoberts 6,998]

14 minutes ago, DWB said:

To me, there are 2 issues concerning NIL $$. (1) Getting money to players "legally". (2) Using players to advertise your business to bring in more business.

If I'm a booster willing to pay money to players, and if I don't care about trying to use them to advertise my business, then I'll find a way to use them with or without endorsing my business/product. (Personally I've never bought any product because some celebrity endorsed it) So for me, #2 is not a necessity. It may be "convenient" to do in order to funnel money to the players, but probably won't bring significant returns over and above my other marketing efforts. There are other ways to contract a player to justify the money paid.

But, if I'm a business person thinking that a player's endorsement would help my business, then some type of ad representation would be appropriate. My question is, if I'm Andy Mohr in Indy, do I really think that TJD endorsing my dealerships will bring in more business? I would say doubtful. But it might be a convenient way to pay TJD knowing that it wouldn't hurt my business either. But there are likely other ways to get payment to players other than endorsements or appearing in ads. So I'm not sure about having an ad agency represent the players. But I would like to see someone on athletic director's staff to "filter" potential offers...not to say yeah or nay, but to warn the athlete (no matter what the sport) if it is questionable. These kids don't have the time to do their own due diligence. 

I think there is already some sort of business arrangement thru the athletic dept for a company that advises on NIL stuff for the players, but not sure. I know that Leal & Kopp are using 10/31 marketing (?) to assist them.

Yea, for sure. There are now a million ways to pay these kids legally. Some uber rich may not need the business incentive to do it, they can just have the team sign a poster and pay them whatever they want.

for most people, they don’t have a ton of extra money but they do work for businesses that do and they need to be 1, aware of what they can do, 2, educated on why they should do it and 3) be advised on how. That often means  a representative of the school/team like a sales rep that is talking to the players, “what are you passionate about outside of basketball? Tracking social followings, building competitive reports,, tracking commitments, educating businesses on NIl results from an ROI standpoint, helping kids with their scheduling and non competes and rules and the list goes on. Anything less is letting the chips fall where they may and won’t be enough

[IUHoosierJoe 1,143]

3 hours ago, landrus13 said:

This is a really depressing thread to read. So much negativity. 

Some people aren’t happy unless they aren’t happy.  (Maybe channeling my inner Yogi Berra)

[IU Scott 2,375]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

99% here. Yes, IU needs to step up its NIL game. This didn’t just happen, the writing has been on the wall for years. IU has had a ton of time to think, explore and implement. The posters were just one example of how the school can pay the kids - they give their NIL to that company to make and sell the posters.

beyond that, IU needs to higher an ad sales exec of some kind to promote the kids and their interests. These kids can sign deals with agencies and such but some national agency isn’t going to have the local contacts and ability to sell these kids to Porsche dealers, restaurants etc like an IU sales rep would. That role is a must

IU was the first college in the country to implement a strategy for the NIL over a year ago

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

8 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

99% here. Yes, IU needs to step up its NIL game. This didn’t just happen, the writing has been on the wall for years. IU has had a ton of time to think, explore and implement. The posters were just one example of how the school can pay the kids - they give their NIL to that company to make and sell the posters.

beyond that, IU needs to higher an ad sales exec of some kind to promote the kids and their interests. These kids can sign deals with agencies and such but some national agency isn’t going to have the local contacts and ability to sell these kids to Porsche dealers, restaurants etc like an IU sales rep would. That role is a must

I believe TyTy Washington already has a Porsche thanks to an NIL deal with a Porsche dealer. 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I believe TyTy Washington already has a Porsche thanks to an NIL deal with a Porsche dealer. 

Likely a Porsche dealer who has been funneling money under the table for 2 decades.

[Chris007 43,924]

On 11/6/2021 at 4:54 PM, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The Hoosier Hysterics guys are not great. Why the program likes them so much is beyond me. Every single video of them makes me cringe, and apparently they’re jerks on top of it all.  The dorks claim they were ‘joking around,’ but this looks like another example of them lacking social cues and creating uncomfortable situations for no reason. 

 

I think the HH guys are douches for the most part, but after reading this kid's Twitter account he's just as big as d-bag as they are. He's starving for attention also. If I was the band director or someone from the athletic department I believe I would have a word with him and tell him to tone it down. Someone needs to let him know he's just in the band and he needs to settle down. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,672]

26 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the HH guys are douches for the most part, but after reading this kid's Twitter account he's just as big as d-bag as they are. He's starving for attention also. If I was the band director or someone from the athletic department I believe I would have a word with him and tell him to tone it down. Someone needs to let him know he's just in the band and he needs to settle down. 

Total dbags but they won't change and too many fans love their "enthusiasm."

[Stuhoo 80,548]

5 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Total dbags but they won't change and too many fans love their "enthusiasm."

That's me!

First of all, I think they are, at most, only partial d-bags. 

And, I love their enthusiasm, and their ability to Make. Sh!t. Happen.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,328]

45 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the HH guys are douches for the most part, but after reading this kid's Twitter account he's just as big as d-bag as they are. He's starving for attention also. If I was the band director or someone from the athletic department I believe I would have a word with him and tell him to tone it down. Someone needs to let him know he's just in the band and he needs to settle down. 

I only read the tweets regarding the HH guys, so I don’t know what else is on his account. The HH guys did acknowledge that the interaction happened and gave a generic ‘sorry you were offended’ apology. I don’t know what the specific rules for NIL are, what the university is allowed to do, if they can hire outside agencies to put together events, etc. I just can’t imagine these two guys are the best we can do. Surely we could find a person/group to partner with that has, at a minimum, some degree of professionalism. Eric’s ‘Mr. Hollywood,’ but who even is the other guy and what does he bring to the table? Every video they put out is Eric talking 99% of the time and the other guy making weird faces 

 

 

[Stuhoo 80,548]

6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I only read the tweets regarding the HH guys, so I don’t know what else is on his account. The HH guys did acknowledge that the interaction happened and gave a generic ‘sorry you were offended’ apology. I don’t know what the specific rules for NIL are, what the university is allowed to do, if they can hire outside agencies to put together events, etc. I just can’t imagine these two guys are the best we can do. Surely we could find a person/group to partner with that has, at a minimum, some degree of professionalism. Eric’s ‘Mr. Hollywood,’ but who even is the other guy and what does he bring to the table? Every video they put out is Eric talking 99% of the time and the other guy making weird faces 

 

 

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1336690/

[Chris007 43,924]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I only read the tweets regarding the HH guys, so I don’t know what else is on his account. The HH guys did acknowledge that the interaction happened and gave a generic ‘sorry you were offended’ apology. I don’t know what the specific rules for NIL, what the university is allowed to do, etc. I just can’t imagine these two guys are the best we can do. Surely we could find a person/group to partner with that has, at a minimum, some degree of professionalism. Eric’s ‘Mr. Hollywood,’ but who even is the other guy and what does he bring to the table? Every video they put out is Eric talking 99% of the time and the other guy making weird faces 

 

 

Ward Roberts, he's an actor best known for Westworld and a few other TV shows. Nothing I've ever watched though.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,328]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1336690/

Thanks. If they’re going to be as involved with the program as it appears they will be, I hope they knock off all their extracurricular nonsense. Will they? I guess we’ll have to wait and see.