Mike Woodson and His Coaching Staff

[str8baller 6,627]

7 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Very true. People keep saying we can make up a lot of deficiencies in the portal, while true, we could also be on the wrong side of the portal and lose our guys we wanted to return.

that’s why I’ve been upset seeing Kopp and Stewart getting so many minutes knowing they aren’t the future and we have younger players like Geronimo that are every bit as good getting scraps.

I really like Geronimo and think one of him and Galloway or Bates have good chance of really breaking out next year. But Geronimo and Bates have the same issue of getting lost or making one boneheaded play on defense every 5 min or so. Just basic freshman stuff, but I imagine it drives Woody crazy, especially since defense is about all we can consistently rely on. 
 

I’m with you in hoping we don’t lose them. Losing our talented young guys would hurt, because they’re the one bright spot on this roster. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 9,085]

Geronimo, Leal, Bates, Galloway.. it's a good start for a future core of 4 dudes who will stay their 4 years. And Geronimo, Leal and Galloway are technically freshmen still. Geronimo is kind of your exact 4 that gets played in college. 6-6 and athletic. He's a shooter(hopefully becomes a willing shot maker), Leal is just a smart kid and will get his game going on this level completely. Galloway just needs to keep working on that jumpshot. Like 1000 shots a day type of work. Bates could have a great all around game. Keep working on that mid range and at the basket and he will get it. Only a freshman but he had plenty of shining moments and seems like he has a high catch and shoot %. I'm assuming Durr returns, hopefully Lander... Need another big man or two though. Hopefully this staff can get some good work done on Durrs footwork cause... Yikes. Might be worse than Kofi. 

 

[Chris007 56,914]

11 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Woodson and then Fife.  Those are your next 20 years.  Take it or leave it.  Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

If Woodson doesn't work out, then it can't be Fife. You can't be an assistant on a staff that fires the head coach for not winning, then move up to head coach. If Fife wants to be the coach he better move on, or start working his rear off in practice. 

[JSHoosier 21,742]

12 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Woodson and then Fife.  Those are your next 20 years.  Take it or leave it.  Personally, most of us prefer you leave it rather than turn this place into another POS board like Rivals.

The only way that happens is if Woodson actually works out, as a 64 year old with no college experience.  If he doesn't, they're not replacing him with an assistant from his failed staff.

[Chris007 56,914]

5 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The only way that happens is if Woodson actually works out, as a 64 year old with no college experience.  If he doesn't, they're not replacing him with an assistant from his failed staff.

Exactly. But I guess that could be something only IU would do

[JSHoosier 21,742]

6 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Exactly. But I guess that could be something only IU would do

The way this program has been run, that wouldn't be surprising.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,788]

Why would people even want Fife as head coach? Seems like another guy folks want because he’s an “IU guy.” We’re trying that with Woodson. If he doesn’t work out, no reason to replace him with another underqualified “IU guy.”  The fact Fife hasn’t taken a shot at a mid-major job yet is a little odd to me. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 50,073]

36 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Why would people even want Fife as head coach? Seems like another guy folks want because he’s an “IU guy.” We’re trying that with Woodson. If he doesn’t work out, no reason to replace him with another underqualified “IU guy.”  The fact Fife hasn’t taken a shot at a mid-major job yet is a little odd to me. 

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.  

[IUc2016 7,121]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.  

I am not saying I want Fife as the head coach.

But it's not bonkers...? UNC and Duke which have had way way more success than IU literally gave assistants the head gig after NO head coaching experience. So not sure it would be considered bonkers. Right move? maybe not, but not bonkers

[Chris007 56,914]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I am not saying I want Fife as the head coach.

But it's not bonkers...? UNC and Duke which have had way way more success than IU literally gave assistants the head gig after NO head coaching experience. So not sure it would be considered bonkers. Right move? maybe not, but not bonkers

But that was following a successful 30 years plus from a head coach. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

Just now, Chris007 said:

But that was following a successful 30 years plus from a head coach. 

He didn’t say if woodson wasn’t successful 

[Stuhoo 86,228]

27 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I personally love that Fife is back as an assistant and I WANT it to work with Woody but i've got my concerns.  As far as Fife as the next head coach, that's bonkers.  Fife would need to do a 5-7 year very successful build at a mid major again before earning what should be a top 20 job in the land.  

Fife is rolling the dice that the current staff greatly succeeds. If they do? He's a strong (likely?) candidate to succeed Woody.

If the current staff does not succeed? It's going to be hard for Fife to ever be a serious candidate. 

It's a smart calculated risk. If he wasn't plugged in he'd arguably have a far lesser chance at the IU head gig.

[Kentuckysucks 3,655]

If Woody fails and they want a former IU player then Lewis would make a lot more sense than Fife.

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 minute ago, Kentuckysucks said:

If Woody fails and they want a former IU player then Lewis would make a lot more sense than Fife.

THIS I agree with.

My hope is that he is hired at Butler once Lavall is fired and he goes on a 4-5 year run with them to make his name and then we hire him. No, I don't want Butler to be very good but if I am Butler that is who I would go after. 

[Chris007 56,914]

14 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

THIS I agree with.

My hope is that he is hired at Butler once Lavall is fired and he goes on a 4-5 year run with them to make his name and then we hire him. No, I don't want Butler to be very good but if I am Butler that is who I would go after. 

I'm hearing Purdue assistant Terry Johnson will get a long look at Butler. He was an assistant at Butler for 10 years, then went with Holtman to OSU before going to Purdue. 

[IUc2016 7,121]

Just now, Chris007 said:

I'm hearing Purdue assistant Terry Johnson will get a long look at Butler. He was an assistant at Butler for 10 years, then went with Holtman to OSU before going to Purdue. 

Yeah I didn't figure Lewis would get much of a look but just kinda what I hoped would happen

[lillurk 4,541]

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

[IUc2016 7,121]

8 minutes ago, lillurk said:

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

Agree with everything here. Missing the tournament will be a failure and I don't think that is debatable. But that doesn't mean the Woody era is doomed to fail. He still has the same recruits coming in that he had before the season and they are in on some really good players. The defense was a major improvement this year and it was fun to watch at times. The offense just needs shot makers, same story for the last half decade. 

Also, IMO Woody was 2/3 (X and Durr were positives) in the transfer market last year which gives me confidence he can make some good moves this year.

HOPEFULLY IU can get some much needed player development that this program lacked under Archie and we can get back to having top end Big Ten talent on this roster. 

Go Hoosiers. 

[AKHoosier 7,371]

I understand everything is cyclical, but you have your head in the sand if you don't realize the only B1G programs we're clearly ahead of at this point are Nebraska, Minnesota, Maryland, Penn State, and Northwestern.

The rest have passed us by.

We'll probably lose TJD and Race after this year, so how does it get better before it gets worse?

Woodson is looking at a 4 year rebuild, which means he'll be well over 65 when we get back to respectability. Does he have the energy for that? 

Yeah I have my doubts to say the least. Admittedly I was off the bandwagon as soon as his hire was announced, but was encouraged with the Fife hire and Hunter/Rosemond on the bench.

But now? A whole season is pretty much under his belt and the rest of the B1G knows how to negative recruit IU. They've seen his offense, and refusal to give major minutes to younger players. 

We're missing a hell of a lot of ingredients in the recipe for success. 

[Chris007 56,914]

17 minutes ago, lillurk said:

1. Feel what you feel, post what you post, but the season’s not over. I understand the likely outcome, and I think everyone agrees the NIT would be a disappointment.

2. …but there are degrees of disappointment. Caring about a basketball team isn’t zero sum. The program is in vastly better position than it was a year ago. If IU misses the tournament it will be by a very small margin — flip a game here or there. And IU was in tons of close games. That’s a different sort of disappointment than getting run off your own floor by Indiana State on the first night of the season.

3. If you think IU’s failure to win close games 2019-present is reflective of some unchangeable character that infected the program, I understand being big mad. I think it’s more than likely just a couple things: bad luck, and less talent (especially at guard).

4. The luck, well, just shake your head. The talent can be fixed. IU is the sort of place where it can be fixed without miracles. And one of the big sources of the dearth of guard talent isn’t coaching anywhere right now.

5. This dovetails with the source of some other frustration, I sense: whataboutnextyear? A good question, of course. I don’t know the answer. But Woody did alright last summer, knows more of what to expect and what he needs this time around. IU had the best defense in the conference this year, and I think more guys CMW and co. pick will mean they get better on the other side of the ball.

Not only the defense but the turnover improvement was really good. I didn't realize this.