Class of '66 Old Fart Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 IMO whatever's going to happen will come to a conclusion by the 21st. Either Dolson makes public comments that make it clear Archie will be back for another season or he announces that Archie has resigned. Can't let this continue to dangle in the wind from a recruiting perspective. With what we would hope are our primary coaching candidates all gathering in one place for March Madness, it will be easy for Dolson to "work the crowd" and get a deal done by the end of the first NCAA tournament weekend if a change is to be made. JaybobHoosier, theriverpilot, darB s'tI and 4 others 7
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, IUrocker said: You don’t think they wait til April next season as in they make the move this season, or you mean after next season they don’t wait til April? I was just responding to the poster who said why wait till April next season when the buyout is less. If we do let next season play out, you don't wait till April for the buyout to be less. coonhounds and IUrocker 1 1
coonhounds Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 I was just responding to the poster who said why wait till April next season when the buyout is less. If we do let next season play out, you don't wait till April for the buyout to be less.So why cant we do the exact same thing this year instead of the insanity of going through next season?Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, coonhounds said: So why cant we do the exact same thing this year instead of the insanity of going through next season? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk We can try but no guarantee that Archie would be willing to negotiate from 10 million this year to 3 million next year coonhounds 1
coonhounds Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 We can try but no guarantee that Archie would be willing to negotiate from 10 million this year to 3 million next year But his buyout is 10 million till April 22 22 why wouldn't he make them wait next season?Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Chris007 1
rcbowla Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 To me the move — this year or next — is to negotiate the mitigation. “We‘ll guarantee $5M as long as you’re looking for jobs.”Or take $5M now guaranteed or take your chances with getting less due to mitigation? That's for separating now.Sent from my SM-T500 using Tapatalk Chris007 and lillurk 2
rcbowla Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 But his buyout is 10 million till April 22 22 why wouldn't he make them wait next season?Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkThey could have a coach already in place and just let his time expire while having already moved on I'd imagine then introduce new coach at that date.Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk coonhounds and Chris007 2
LamarCheeks Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, AKHoosier said: If we don't make a change now, we're probably getting at least 2 more years of Archie. If TJD comes back, we'll probably have a pretty good team next year that would get into the tournament. I don't see IU firing any coach who makes the tournament, no matter how quickly they exit. From what I've read on this board, the chance that TJD returns is very, very minimal. Even if he doesn't get drafted, apparently the G League or playing overseas are more attractive options to him than coming back to school. lillurk and Chris007 2
nerdvana Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 So, I have a friend who is definitely not me. He's a bit dumb and less-than-nuanced in, among other things, the field of contract law. Say, he were to ask an obviously silly question such as, "if Miller's buyout is 7$ million dollars less next year, then why not just continue to pay him his $3.X million dollar salary for the next year to not coach the team? We could bring in a new coach for next year and then buyout Miller in April 2022." Just for the sake of humor, how would one answer such a question? NOLA Hoosier, taco corp, Josh and 4 others 4 3
MikeRoberts Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 57 minutes ago, 8bucks said: I don’t get how a home run hire would be willing next year but not this year. If that is the case then it sounds like they are waiting on other things to happen which if those happen then they probably don’t come. If it is a $ thing, like the buyout is there for a home run but not a double, then I get it. But if we are waiting on coach x who says next year is better it sounds kind of like that time you ask a girl to prom and she says I will let you know next week. This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along. Nothing will change from now until next year except the buyout being reduced. if there coaches we want now, go after them. If they say no today, they would say no next year. It makes zero sense to assume options will be better next year and in fact, they will likely be worse Loaded Chicken Sandwich and taco corp 2
rcbowla Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 I got it! Just keep him as an employee this year to like sweep floors, water plants and what not. Pay him his $3+this year then fire him in April next year pay him another $3M and save yourself about $4-5M.Sent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk
rcbowla Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 So, I have a friend who is definitely not me. He's a bit dumb and less-than-nuanced in, among other things, the field of contract law. Say, he were to ask an obviously silly question such as, "if Miller's buyout is 7$ million dollars less next year, then why not just continue to pay him his $3.X million dollar salary for the next year to not coach the team? We could bring in a new coach for next year and then buyout Miller in April 2022." Just for the sake of humor, how would one answer such a question?Dude I didn't even see your post when I posted. Great minds think alikeSent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk coonhounds and nerdvana 1 1
coonhounds Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 So, I have a friend who is definitely not me. He's a bit dumb and less-than-nuanced in, among other things, the field of contract law. Say, he were to ask an obviously silly question such as, "if Miller's buyout is 7$ million dollars less next year, then why not just continue to pay him his $3.X million dollar salary for the next year to not coach the team? We could bring in a new coach for next year and then buyout Miller in April 2022." Just for the sake of humor, how would one answer such a question?Was your friend rcs29 by chance?Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk Chris007, thebigweave, JaybobHoosier and 4 others 6 1
rcbowla Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Was your friend rcs29 by chance?Sent from my SM-G960U using TapatalkLolSent from my Pixel 3a XL using Tapatalk Chris007, thebigweave and nerdvana 3
coonhounds Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Dude I didn't even see your post when I posted. Great minds think alikeSent from my Pixel 3a XL using TapatalkI thought you were the friend that told him or copying him. To funny lolSent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, coonhounds said: Was your friend rcs29 by chance? Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk I didn't even know they knew each other or were friends. LOL coonhounds 1
nerdvana Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I didn't even know they knew each other or were friends. LOL Yeah, we go way back. I remember when he was rcs11. Edited March 10, 2021 by nerdvana thebigweave, Maedhros, ALASKA HOOSIER and 3 others 4 2
hoosierpap Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said: This is exactly what I’ve been saying all along. Nothing will change from now until next year except the buyout being reduced. if there coaches we want now, go after them. If they say no today, they would say no next year. It makes zero sense to assume options will be better next year and in fact, they will likely be worse The buyout is 7 million dollars less next year. If you don't think that's an issue, idk what to tell you. Sure, IU can probably get the money but that comes with using a lot of your political capital. I honestly see your second statement I bolded as more pessimistic/fatalistic than based in any reality. Current coaches have contracts, committed recruits, families- lives. Could next years coaching pool be worse? Sure could. Could it be better? Sure could. If it's right this year go for it but if it doesn't I'd say it makes "zero sense" to make a change to make a change. Jeff_Boy_Ardee, JaybobHoosier, MemphisHoosier and 1 other 4
Trish Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 he’s really coming home boys.. thebigweave and Chris007 2
MikeRoberts Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, hoosierpap said: The buyout is 7 million dollars less next year. If you don't think that's an issue, idk what to tell you. Sure, IU can probably get the money but that comes with using a lot of your political capital. I honestly see your second statement I bolded as more pessimistic/fatalistic than based in any reality. Current coaches have contracts, committed recruits, families- lives. Could next years coaching pool be worse? Sure could. Could it be better? Sure could. If it's right this year go for it but if it doesn't I'd say it makes "zero sense" to make a change to make a change. Is it an issue? It was said that the buyout had been raised. if that is inaccurate let me know. if true, then you have a clean slate to hire. We’re going to pay a coach regardless so whether it’s Archie or X it doesn’t matter, we’re going to pay someone $3+ million. Every school thinking about making an upgrade is thinking Bout Covid this year. That will stop some from cutting ties and chasing bigger fish. Positively, assuming next year is not a Covid year, there will be a ton of change. When you want to be at the top of the pecking order, that’s not good for you Hoosierfan2017 and Deserthoozier 2
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