Trish Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 10 hours ago, hoosierpap said: I honestly don't think IU makes the move this year. That's some of what I've heard, some of what I know about the AD(department, not director), some about the current economic situation blah blah blah. Anyways, I'm just going on a hypothetical from the rest of this post on out. Here is what I WOULD do...not what is going to happen...Someone asked what my list would be and i'd say a mix between ideally and realistically... Stevens, Donovan, Bennett...unrealistic. I would try for a Matta or Beilein and hire a top "emerging" candidate as assistant. Matta/Beilein stable things, 2-3 years, hire the up-and-comer the agreed assurance that if they meet certain marks individually they get first consideration for HC. Solid coaches w upside, methinks, would take that opportunity. IU is more of a monster waiting to be unchained than some of you have been beaten down to believe, imo. So you're telling me the Archie Miller train rolls on potentially? Hop on everyone! We're going to the Final Four next year under Archie Miller!
Popular Post Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 10, 2021 9 hours ago, Uspshoosier said: You can try to explain but it’s not going to do anything. People are mad and anything short of him gone isn’t going to be good enough for most the fans here. Personally like you I think it’s pretty simple. If Dolson feels he has a candidate lined up and he has his guy then a change will be made. If he doesn’t have his long term guy lined up he is going to let the process play out and do what he feels is the right move. Fans can say they won’t be back if he is back and won’t go to games if he is coach but an Athletic Director in his first year has to make the long play on what he feels is that right move. Fans not showing up to me would be in the category of I will believe when I see it. Dolson didn’t make this mess but he is the guy that has to clean it up. I have no doubt he is going to make the decision that he feels will be the best for IU moving forward. The only problem with giving him another year if he doesn’t have his guy lined up is what happens if he wins the B1G or makes a run in next year tourney? I don’t think you could give him a full multi year extension based off 1 year compared to 4 but for recruiting purposes you would have to do something. Glad it’s not my decision. Either way is going to have big risks I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. pumpfake, BtownStrength, MikeRoberts and 17 others 20
Hoosier Guy Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. This is true. No matter how we slice it, Duke and UNC are bigger gigs right now. Most coaches would go to either of those two schools to succeed those greats. If IU can get a guy now, they have to pull the trigger Chris007, thebigweave, Hoosierfan2017 and 1 other 4
Uspshoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris007 said: I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. Yeah risks either way. Each one of those guys mentioned is a hall of fame guy and history shows you don’t want to be the guy to replace a legend. Landscape of college basketball has changed so much since the last time those universities have had to hire a coach and this is my opinion but I think they are going to find out it’s going to be a difficult transition. Sometimes being the 2nd or 3rd best option works out in the end. Tough call Chris007 and IUc2016 2
MikeRoberts Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them Chris007, Hoosierfan2017, IUrocker and 2 others 5
Hoosierfan2017 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 If coaches are hesitant to come here because of our ‘toxic’ fanbase, no coach will touch us with a ten foot pole after another year of Archie ball. Dolson needs to think long and hard about what a fifth Archie Miller season looks like. IUrocker 1
Bowhunter Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Dolson is in a tough situation. Yes Archie has not lived up to what we thought, but if he don’t have a for sure home run guy waiting to take over, I’m not sure it makes a lot of sense to gamble on 10 mill buyout (overtime) to get another coach with the same risk value. Also Dolson could fire him this season and Archie gets it together with some shooters next season. I would cut him loose this season for the right guy, but I don’t think it’s as easy of a decision as it seems. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners GaryP and mamasa 2
Stuhoo Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said: There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them Well stated. and, that's a big reason, especially since Archie can put together a reasonable team next year with transfers while football gives the IU fan base a happy face.
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. lillurk, Bobman1, HoosierDYT and 3 others 4 2
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said: There is no reason to wait outside of the buyout. Dolson has had time to work on this and has realistically another month to sort it out. That’s plenty of time to find a guy that will work for us. as I’ve said over and over, it’s not one guy he is looking for, there are plenty that will work out, just need to pick one of those. He needs to identify who those are and go after them Preaching to the choir thebigweave and lillurk 2
Trish Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Chris007 said: Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. Scott really likes Archie. This has to be tough for him.
Hoosierfan2017 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chris007 said: Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. The only way they should be “100% on the same page” is if he and Archie both think he’s in over his head and needs to leave. If Dolson is telling the truth and not just saying that to quiet speculation then he’s part of the problem. Toothdr, IUrocker, Indiana8585 and 1 other 4
Popular Post Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: The only way they should be “100% on the same page” is if he and Archie both think he’s in over his head and needs to leave. If Dolson is telling the truth and not just saying that to quiet speculation then he’s part of the problem. He mentioned inconsistent several times. I thought to myself men's basketball hasn't been inconsistent, it's been pretty consistent the whole year BtownStrength, Indiana8585, IUrocker and 9 others 11 1
NashvilleHoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Chris007 said: Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. This is a very interesting line to use if he didn't say anything else. To my knowledge, Dolson hasn't yet come out with the dreaded public vote of confidence, right? Maybe I missed it. When he said this last night, did he add any words backing him to lead the program, or anything else expressing confidence in him? If he just left it that they are on the same page, it would seem there is an equal likelihood that they've already had the conversation and come to an amicable agreement. thebigweave and Toothdr 2
HoosierRobbie Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. Sounds like we are screwed.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Hoosierfan2017, Chris007, Indiana8585 and 1 other 3 1
Chris007 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, NashvilleHoosier said: This is a very interesting line to use if he didn't say anything else. To my knowledge, Dolson hasn't yet come out with the dreaded public vote of confidence, right? Maybe I missed it. When he said this last night, did he add any words backing him to lead the program, or anything else expressing confidence in him? If he just left it that they are on the same page, it would seem there is an equal likelihood that they've already had the conversation and come to an amicable agreement. I don't donate enough to be a part of this society. I'm just going off of what I have heard and read on other boards. He hasn't given him a vote of confidence. I also didn't expect him to come out and say he was going to fire him at the end of the year either. thebigweave and lillurk 2
IUrocker Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 If Dolson was the main guy behind the workings of getting Bobby to come back and has the trust of all the big major alums, I don’t see how he can go on not seeing the sad state of the program and not want to make it better. He knows how successful IU basketball is supposed to be. You would think he’s got people in his ear everywhere saying Archie isn’t cutting it. He’s had 4 years and all have been losing conference seasons. How is one more year gonna be different? Sure he could bring in some transfers who he thinks can shoot, but didn’t he already bring guys who he thought could shoot and now they can’t? I guess I’m just worried to have to sit through another season expecting to have this year’s results. Definitely not something to want to look forward to. Hoosierfan2017, Chris007 and kottke 3
NashvilleHoosier Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I don't donate enough to be a part of this society. I'm just going off of what I have heard and read on other boards. He hasn't given him a vote of confidence. I also didn't expect him to come out and say he was going to fire him at the end of the year either. Right, I would never expect him, or any AD, to come out saying they are firing their coach once the season is over. It's just interesting if he was on the topic and said they were on the same page but nothing else. It could mean a lot of things. But if they've talked and Dolson is already set on him coming back, it's a good opportunity to express more confidence in Archie leading the program than just saying they are on the same page. So if he didn't do that, it makes me think there is a good chance they page they are on is an amicable agreement to part ways. Of course, maybe it's just that I really want to believe that's the case. thebigweave, Chris007, Toothdr and 1 other 4
HoosierFan1994 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 54 minutes ago, Chris007 said: I think what I'm scared of the most is if or when we wait till next year, you have several coaches decide they want to retire like Coach K, Boeheim, Izzo, Williams. Then it would make IU like the 2nd or 3rd best option out there. This 100%. Especially Duke and UNC. Hoosierfan2017, Chris007 and Hoosier Guy 3
IUrocker Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 I wonder if Dolson has that in mind at all and is completely aware of that possibility?...that if they wait to get rid of Archie, the coaches he has on his list could want to go to one of the other big schools that happen to open up instead of wanting to come to IU, and then he’s stuck with option 5. I don’t see how he could think a coach would want to say no now but yes next year. Hoosierfan2017 1
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