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[iu eyedoc]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Indiana won’t win with an up and comer. When has that worked in the B1G at the level Indiana is wanting?  
 
Make a statement hire!  Take no prisoners!  Knock 2-3 straight recruiting classes out of the park.  Win.  Don’t lose momentum. That’s the recipe.  

Well let's see

Tom Izzo

Chris Holtzman

Juwan Howard

[iubb]

 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, IU Scott said:

Pretty much all the top coaches started out at a low level and moved up the ladder.  Everyone wants Oats and 3 years ago he was in Buffalo.

True, but he’s proving himself at a higher level.  Personally I’d still like to see a little more longevity out of him but he seems to have the “it” factor to gamble on. 

[rcbowla]

Umm not saying it will work for IU...

But you might want to do some rethinking. The two most accomplished coaches ever in the BIG have been up and comers when they took the BIG job...

Knight and izzo?


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Gene Keady and Jud Heathcote (I know it was because of Magic).

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[prodigal hoosier]

Dedicated IU Faithful: "Mr. Dolson, it's been a woefully long time since the basketball program has shown any semblance of a return to prominence; could you at least give us some minor reassurance regarding your plan to replace Archie Miller to make IU relevant again in light of all these conflicting 'insider sources,' player transfer portal entries and social media reports claiming to know what's going on?"

 

Scott Dolson:  "Well, you know, my plan has a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-you's... And uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Dolson's head. Luckily I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, coaching candidate regimen to keep my mind, you know, limber."

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, iu eyedoc said:

Well let's see

Tom Izzo

Chris Holtzman

Juwan Howard

Izzo, too long ago.  Not the same environment. 

Holtmann-3 years of success at Butler.  Moderate risk.  
 

Juwan Howard- is a good argument.  He’s got a special fame that has allowed amazing recruiting.  So far he has knocked it out of the park.  He’s unique.  Which up and coming coach can walk into Indiana and land the #1 recruiting class?  I’ll take that guy.  

 

[ronzo4IU]

7 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Why would Oats leave Alabama. He seems to have no problems recruiting talent to play there and he gets to build his own thing. At IU, he would have to rebuild a program and coach in the shadow of a HOF coach who still lives in town.

Closer to home? Maybe....fan base, icon status....bunch of stuff you won’t get there.

[IUc2016]

Literally eons ago, when players stayed for 4 years and the best players were Seniors. I don’t need to rethink this. 

Wait izzo only coached eons ago? I’m confused?


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[Hoosierfanyuh]

IUBB has media in a twitter fight but we arent relevant lmao

[iubb]

Just now, Hoosierfanyuh said:

IUBB has media in a twitter fight but we arent relevant lmao

they get them sweet sweet hate clicks which means $$$$$

[WayneFleekHoosier]

5 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

Wait izzo only coached eons ago? I’m confused?


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When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

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[iu eyedoc]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Izzo, too long ago.  Not the same environment. 

Holtmann-3 years of success at Butler.  Moderate risk.  
 

Juwan Howard- is a good argument.  He’s got a special fame that has allowed amazing recruiting.  So far he has knocked it out of the park.  He’s unique.  Which up and coming coach can walk into Indiana and land the #1 recruiting class?  I’ll take that guy.  

 

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

[cleeter]

 

Referring to the Goodman amount tweets I believe.



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[PB1230]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and your not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   Plus he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

[IUc2016]

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 
Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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[8bucks]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

When he started and built his hall of fame resume.  Yes.  Once you have a hall of fame resume things get easier, and you’re not an up an comer.  He didn’t start in the 1 n done era.  
 

Juwan Howard is an amazing counter example to my point.   But, he’s cultural icon.  He’s a unicorn.  Our best similar option would be Cheaney but zero chance he recruits like Howard.  Zero.  Juwan Howard should be like Patrick Ewing but he’s not.  He’s got it going.  

I think I would prefer to be in a position to not only attract guys like Beard, Oats, Drew etc but to also land them. We will know a bit more who we are after this search. If those guys say no because they can win where they are then we likely have to find the right up and comer ourselves. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Just now, PB1230 said:

How much Howard success can be attribute to Phil Martelli, especially since Howard’s recruiting impact hasn’t really come into play yet

Good point.  2 huge transfer impacts though. No way they are in this position without them. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

Okay your original question was when has an up and comer worked in the BIG. You were provided multiple examples showing it has literally worked multiple times. At the highest level.

It is okay to say you were wrong . Not move the goalposts


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Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

[IUc2016]

Not moving goal posts. Picking coaches prior to the 1 n done era, changes the debate completely.  If you don’t see this point, it’s all irrelevant.  

Whatever. Continue to think you know more than everyone like normal it’s cool.

Not a good look, but cool


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[IU Scott]

3 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

Izzo was hired as an up and comer and has won or shared 3 of the last 4 B1G titles. Not sure how he doesn't count. Too successful for too long?

 

Throw in Thad Matta and Matt Painter.

I guess maybe anything that happened before 2000 didn't happen