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[JSHoosier 21,595]

11 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I would say they did want to save costs and hired Archie.   That number would of been way higher if they went after a proven more established coach.   I would say they underpaid for the hottest coach during that coaching cycle.   IU was still able to get the guy they wanted that everyone in the college basketball world called the safest sure bet hire.   The coach that turned down and didn’t even pick up to the for multiple high major teams.   IU could and probably should offer way more money this next time to show that they are serious.    No way Dayton should be able to match an offer given to a coach but that’s exactly what happened.   Dayton matched IU’s offer for him to stay at Dayton.   He just chose to come to iu but he could of stayed and made the same amount of money at Dayton that he could of at IU.      
 

Basically we offered the same as a mid major.  I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

[kreigh8 2,111]

20 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

I would say they did want to save costs and hired Archie.   That number would of been way higher if they went after a proven more established coach.   I would say they underpaid for the hottest coach during that coaching cycle.   IU was still able to get the guy they wanted that everyone in the college basketball world called the safest sure bet hire.   The coach that turned down and didn’t even pick up to the for multiple high major teams.   IU could and probably should offer way more money this next time to show that they are serious.    No way Dayton should be able to match an offer given to a coach but that’s exactly what happened.   Dayton matched IU’s offer for him to stay at Dayton.   He just chose to come to iu but he could of stayed and made the same amount of money at Dayton that he could of at IU.      
 

Hadn't heard this before and thanks again for covering it. This is even more depressing though. I had high hopes for Archie as one of my "wants" for a coaching hire was someone who was actively working for USA Basketball as I thought it would help land major recruits. He's landed his share of major targets, just can't seem to put it together. It's puzzling as things seems set up to succeed even if there's hurdles to hop through with the admin

[TheWatShot 14,947]

Let's hire a coach who doesn't fill up this card:

 

[LamarCheeks 20,896]

5 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Let's hire a coach who doesn't fill up this card:

 

At first glance, this is pretty complete. But you forgot a couple that are crucial -- although these are more conducive to after the game. 

Miss 10 or more FTs
Make fewer than five 3s 

 

[TheWatShot 14,947]

3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

At first glance, this is pretty complete. But you forgot a couple that are crucial -- although these are more conducive to after the game. 

Miss 10 or more FTs
Make fewer than five 3s 

 

I'm always open to more suggestions and making copies of this with the squares rearranged. 

[Uspshoosier 50,551]

I personally still think IU is the top coaching job in the B1G.  Every time a major outlet does their version of ranking the jobs inside each conference despite IU’s on the court results over the last 20 years IU is always #1 in almost everyone of them.  If not 1 then they are 2.    That’s taken into account the awful tournament record.  A lot of people say Ohio St is the number 1 job because get the luxury of the football teams money on facilities but will always play second fiddle to them.  Pressure is way down on the list for an Ohio st coach.    That’s not saying they don’t have any pressure because the last 2 years with Holtmann having mediocre results their fans on their site were blasting him but overall the pressure is less then most places.   
 

The days of stepping stone jobs to get to another big job are pretty much over in my opinion.    That’s not an IU thing I think that’s a college basketball as a whole thing.     The amount of money coaches can make elsewhere and TV exposure for ever major conference just might make some coaches stay where they are at.   Before if I wanted to watch a Mountain West or PAC 12 or you name the conference I had to get espn full court

(remember that and of course I bought it) lol 

Today I can watch most  games I want with basic cable and watch almost any game I want to watch with cable and streaming service.   IU is still a top job but the gap is smaller today then it was back then.     

[Magisterium 415]

43 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Basically we offered the same as a mid major.  I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

IU offered what was (at the time) one of the top 8 highest salaries in college BB to a thirty-something guy who'd never been a head coach in a power conference before--not exactly a cost-cutting move IMO. And, IIRC, still more today than PU pays Painter in terms of official salary.

But Glass did so expecting much better results than Miller has so far produced. And in doing so, he structured Miller's contract so it is nearly as expensive (pro-rated) to fire him as it was to hire him, at least up until 4/1/2022.

We're rapidly approaching a point in time where those among us who still vividly remember what it was like from about 1973-1993 will be far outnumbered by those who have spent most, if not all, of their lives experiencing IU as having (to paraphrase Dakich ) a BB program no different than every other BB program--whether that was the intended effect of the IU Administration or not.

I vacillate a great deal these days about the possibility of IU once again having an "elite" BB program. Sometimes I feel those days are gone for good, other times I feel it is still possible but the powers-that-be, for whatever reasons, don't want to do what it would take.

One thing, though, that I do not vacillate about: if the quality of results Miller has to date produced are indeed acceptable to those decision-makers, those results most assuredly can be obtained by a large number of coaches, many of whom would happily do so for considerably less money than IU is currently paying for those meager results.

Edited February 4, 2021 by Magisterium
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[LIHoosier 27,251]

7 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

At first glance, this is pretty complete. But you forgot a couple that are crucial -- although these are more conducive to after the game. 

Miss 10 or more FTs
Make fewer than five 3s 

 

Add ons:

Baseline out of bounds; forward defended by player 6"+ smaller at the rim

Timeout 2 possessions after it's hit the fan

But KenPom says we're...

 

[Hovadipo 59,508]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

Basically we offered the same as a mid major.  

No. 

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

Which candidate said they wouldn't touch IU with a 10' pole with the current administration?  I wonder why they would stay away from IU..

Coach Allen was lightning in a bottle.  I can almost guarantee the admin didn't expect IU to be anywhere close to where they are as a program today under coach Allen.  The story is good but it would take decades of winning at this level for CTA to ever approach what Knight was to IU.

IU can pay whatever for a recruiting budget, I believe an explanation was given why this was so high before and it wasn't necessarily because IU was spending more money just the accounting of it.  There are plenty of universities pouring money into recruiting that doesn't show up in the budget.

You win with either a GREAT coach that can out coach an opponent with X's and O's or you let them play deeper in the grey area to get the Jimmy's and the Joe's.  The IU admin isn't willing to play at either level.  IU could get a top coach if it got out of its own way but can't/won't.

[Alford Bailey 12,821]

1 hour ago, kreigh8 said:

Soccer seems to do well for themselves...

Agree but do you have to shell out tons of $$ to maintain soccer?

[kreigh8 2,111]

1 minute ago, Alford Bailey said:

Agree but do you have to shell out tons of $$ to maintain soccer?

I honestly have no idea. My response was to your statement that the admin wants every sport to be average. The soccer program is far from average. How much money is involved in that, I'll leave to answer with someone with more knowledge about the athletic dept.

[Feathery 4,005]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Just my opinion from what I have been told and seen, the only person above who wanted the job is Beilein. Pitino wife said no, Bennett had no interest, Holtman told his agent no way of being in this fishbowl and Mack was always going to Louisville with his in-laws being big donors. 

IU burned the Bennett bridge by firing his sister. Beilein is a top coach and still is. If he was hired 15 years ago, we have multiple final fours and big ten championships. 
 

The point is the resources are there and it just takes a confident and competent coach to take IU back to the top of the conference. 

[HoosierAloha 30,092]

9 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

I honestly have no idea. My response was to your statement that the admin wants every sport to be average. The soccer program is far from average. How much money is involved in that, I'll leave to answer with someone with more knowledge about the athletic dept.

It's not that they WANT the sport to be average.  They don't want the program to become too big.  This would be extremely difficult for most sports at IU or any other college for that matter.  Men's basketball has the ability to be that program, again.  They don't want that.

[rcbowla 7,567]

I personally still think IU is the top coaching job in the B1G.  Every time a major outlet does their version of ranking the jobs inside each conference despite IU’s on the court results over the last 20 years IU is always #1 in almost everyone of them.  If not 1 then they are 2.    That’s taken into account the awful tournament record.  A lot of people say Ohio St is the number 1 job because get the luxury of the football teams money on facilities but will always play second fiddle to them.  Pressure is way down on the list for an Ohio st coach.    That’s not saying they don’t have any pressure because the last 2 years with Holtmann having mediocre results their fans on their site were blasting him but overall the pressure is less then most places.   
 
The days of stepping stone jobs to get to another big job are pretty much over in my opinion.    That’s not an IU thing I think that’s a college basketball as a whole thing.     The amount of money coaches can make elsewhere and TV exposure for ever major conference just might make some coaches stay where they are at.   Before if I wanted to watch a Mountain West or PAC 12 or you name the conference I had to get espn full court
(remember that and of course I bought it) lol 
Today I can watch most  games I want with basic cable and watch almost any game I want to watch with cable and streaming service.   IU is still a top job but the gap is smaller today then it was back then.     

This I'd agree with for sure. Much like the talent gap has closed quite a bit. Although the same can't be said for college football.

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[kreigh8 2,111]

7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

It's not that they WANT the sport to be average.  They don't want the program to become too big.  This would be extremely difficult for most sports at IU or any other college for that matter.  Men's basketball has the ability to be that program, again.  They don't want that.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with not wanting a coach to become bigger than the entire university which I think is really what it boils down to. They still pay the head coach plenty of money (top 25 as has been stated here) and an enormous recruiting budget. If they really wanted to keep the program down they'd squash that budget tomorrow and Cook Hall wouldn't have been built. Are they making it hard on any HC, possibly. But when I hear they want the program down to where it's at, my mind goes to the owner of the Cleveland Indians in Major League who actively worked against the better of the club and that I have a hard time believing.

If Archie and the team have a cutout of President McRobbie they undress after every win then maybe things are more dire than I think, but I'm hoping and praying that's not the case.

[Stuhoo 85,502]

IMO it's not that they primarily want to prevent the program from being bigger than the university.

It's that they want to prevent any one man from being bigger than the university.

What long time out-of-state IU alum hasn't at one time told someone they went to IU, and been met with "Better not give you a chair to throw!"

[rcbowla 7,567]

IMO it's not that they primarily want to prevent the program from being bigger than the university.
It's that they want to prevent any one man from being bigger than the university.
What long time out-of-state IU alum hasn't at one time told someone they went to IU, and been met with "Better not give you a chair to throw!"

Even if this is true personalities like BK are few and far between. I mean how many guys would actually toe the line he did nowadays? Not only that but have the popularity and confidence he had while being the way he was. I just don't see that in today's climate. If they try (Greg Marshall) you fire them.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,524]

If the admin was so deadset against athletic success why aren't they actively sabotaging Allen and the football program? If they were so against athletic success why do they continue to allow for such a large recruiting budget? I'm just not buying this conspiracy theory until I've seen some tangible proof as to their desires. Just doesn't add up to me, but maybe I need to get my tinfoil hat on.

I agree

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[Stuhoo 85,502]

To add to this, I'll give you a best-case scenario from where I live now.

The University of Florida is really hard to get into and very well respected. It's currently the #30 national university in US News & World, and the #5 public university nationally, behind only UCLA, Michigan, UC Berkeley, and Virginia, with a 2020 incoming freshman SAT range from 1320-1460.

But it wasn't always so; before football coach Steve Spurrier made UF a 'destination school' the standards and admission competitiveness were much much much lower. However, while Steve Spurrier was a great coach with a notable personality, he was never bigger than the school. The program brought in tons of money and did a lot to help the school, but no one man was the face of the school.