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[RaceToTheTop 24,849]

56 minutes ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

Not when your offense is hitting 2 threes and the. Giving up 2 wide open threes and foul a three point shooter. The limited offense he has shown does not even come close to outweighing the lack of defense.

He has looked a lot better lately but still good enough to warrant more playing time. We are also not seeing what’s taking place in practice; I don’t care how much someone dislikes Archie, if lander was outplaying the other guards everyday in practice you can’t tell me Archie wouldn’t be playing him more. The fact is he’s just not that great right NOW and I’m not judging him for that, I still have expectations for him moving forward.

Also, i get tired of the well we’re not going anywhere might as well play your players that aren’t as good and get them experience. We’re in almost every game still, it’s not like if we tank there’s a number one draft pick we can get. Archie is still playing to win snd playing for his job, no coach is going to purposely play players or give excess minutes to players that aren’t going to help win the game at hand.


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Bingo.  And he’s NOT the #1 guard in the 2020 class after he reclassified.  Up until recently it was cringe worthy when he stepped on the court.  But this wasn’t even a normal reclassify...the lost time on the court during the spring s through fall due to covid was going to be tough on anybody.
 

People who think he’d step in right now with increased playing time and make any kind of significant improvement in this team are flat out wrong.  

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1 hour ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

 

 

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Winning close games was something I felt to be a strength of Archie early in his tenure, but the downward trend can actually be traced back to the start of the infamous 12 out of 13 game losing skid from the 2018-19 season.  During Archie's first season and the first 14 games of the 2018-19 season IU was 9-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, but since that time IU is 10-11 in those games.  Maintaining that same win percentage in close games from what was essentially Archie's first year and a half would have given us basically 5 more total wins since and might have been enough to change our current perception at least to an extent. 

[Josh 12,553]

22 minutes ago, craigyv88 said:

Winning close games was something I felt to be a strength of Archie early in his tenure, but the downward trend can actually be traced back to the start of the infamous 12 out of 13 game losing skid from the 2018-19 season.  During Archie's first season and the first 14 games of the 2018-19 season IU was 9-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, but since that time IU is 10-11 in those games.  Maintaining that same win percentage in close games from what was essentially Archie's first year and a half would have given us basically 5 more total wins since and might have been enough to change our current perception at least to an extent. 

Ever since he had to use his own players instead of Crean's.  Archie is Mike Davis except worse.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,607]

56 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Bingo.  And he’s NOT the #1 guard in the 2020 class after he reclassified.  Up until recently it was cringe worthy when he stepped on the court.  But this wasn’t even a normal reclassify...the lost time on the court during the spring s through fall due to covid was going to be tough on anybody.
 

People who think he’d step in right now with increased playing time and make any kind of significant improvement in this team are flat out wrong.  

It was clear during the Illinois game that he made a difference. He gets going north and south unlike Rob/Al, he makes quick decisions unlike Rob/Al. He's a real point guard. He needs some strength but the kid is fast and I can guarantee he can throw one down on someone's head. He just needs the comfort and confidence and we seen him gain a lot against Illinois. 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,821]

2 hours ago, Jeff_Boy_Ardee said:

Not when your offense is hitting 2 threes and the. Giving up 2 wide open threes and foul a three point shooter. The limited offense he has shown does not even come close to outweighing the lack of defense.

He has looked a lot better lately but still good enough to warrant more playing time. We are also not seeing what’s taking place in practice; I don’t care how much someone dislikes Archie, if lander was outplaying the other guards everyday in practice you can’t tell me Archie wouldn’t be playing him more. The fact is he’s just not that great right NOW and I’m not judging him for that, I still have expectations for him moving forward.

Also, i get tired of the well we’re not going anywhere might as well play your players that aren’t as good and get them experience. We’re in almost every game still, it’s not like if we tank there’s a number one draft pick we can get. Archie is still playing to win snd playing for his job, no coach is going to purposely play players or give excess minutes to players that aren’t going to help win the game at hand.


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It’s not like the team struggled when Lander was on the court. At worst, we were no worse with him on the court than we were with him off the court against Illinois. The last minute or so before he fouled out when he gave up the 2 threes and fouled the shooter sours his night. But he never should’ve been the guy guarding their hottest shooter in the first place.
 

Sure, there’s no draft pick to win if we tank. But I’m not arguing for us to tank. I don’t think that giving him 15 of Durham/Phinisee’s minutes will sink our team. I don’t think it would even make us any worse. And providing him those minutes would be extremely valuable for him next year and the years after. 

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I would imagine Archie will get another power 5 job after this, that’s just how it works, not that I agree with it.  In regards to comparing him to crean getting a job at Georgia, I’m not surprised they hired him, he had flashes of greatness. On the flip side, I haven’t seen any flashes, literally none, nothing that says “the sky is the limit” from Archie

[Hoosierfan2017 20,821]

1 hour ago, brumdog45 said:

Bingo.  And he’s NOT the #1 guard in the 2020 class after he reclassified.  Up until recently it was cringe worthy when he stepped on the court.  But this wasn’t even a normal reclassify...the lost time on the court during the spring s through fall due to covid was going to be tough on anybody.
 

People who think he’d step in right now with increased playing time and make any kind of significant improvement in this team are flat out wrong.  

My whole point is that Archie should’ve been playing him from the beginning of the season. What’s the point of bringing him in a year early to play 3-4 minutes a game? No one can get comfortable and gain confidence when they barely get a chance to play. He was a 5 star recruit, he was the #1 point guard in the 2021 class, he has more potential than any other guard on the roster, and Archie has treated him like he’s a guy ranked out of the top 100. If he had given him consistent minutes from the beginning of the season, Lander would be much more comfortable on the court than he is right now. He’d probably be a better defender too. But Archie screwed up and didn’t do that, and here we are today.
 

He’s not going to be able to recruit elite guards when he can’t figure out how to use them. He’s gotten two 5 star guards, Romeo and Lander, and he hasn’t demonstrated an ability to use them at all. And without elite guards, we’ll continue seeing the results we’ve seen in Archie’s four years.

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4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

My whole point is that Archie should’ve been playing him from the beginning of the season. What’s the point of bringing him in a year early to play 3-4 minutes a game? No one can get comfortable and gain confidence when they barely get a chance to play. He was a 5 star recruit, he was the #1 point guard in the 2021 class, he has more potential than any other guard on the roster, and Archie has treated him like he’s a guy ranked out of the top 100. If he had given him consistent minutes from the beginning of the season, Lander would be much more comfortable on the court than he is right now. He’d probably be a better defender too. But Archie screwed up and didn’t do that, and here we are today. 

I do think the experts got it wrong with him. He looks like a newborn deer out there, awkward footwork, sloppy ball handling, strange and lazy passes, lost on defense, horrible shooting stroke. You would think we were watching some 7 foot 17 year old project that is just learning the game. There isn’t anything fluid, smooth, easy about his game

[Josh 12,553]

14 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 he never should’ve been the guy guarding their hottest shooter in the first place.

Archie Miller is the worst coach in the Big Ten 

[LamarCheeks 17,920]

Saw this photo accompanying a story about our upcoming schedule -- and had to laugh. 

This is SO Al. 

 

[Alford Bailey 12,350]

The Lander topic could be its own thread honestly. Pretty sure it was mentioned in this forum a year or more ago that he was overrated and some had concerns about his game. It appears those concerns were valid.

[Josh 12,553]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

Saw this photo accompanying a story about our upcoming schedule -- and had to laugh. 

This is SO Al. 

 

Boy it's Phinisee too.  Or Armaan.  Or even Race.  Pretty much anybody who thinks they're on a fast break in Archie's offense driving one on 3.  Just go fast and throw it up!  Amazing that he seems to encourage it.

[Stuhoo 79,566]

It’s because we cannot spread the court and create driving lanes because our two best bigs cannot shoot a three at all unlike other top forwards in the B1G like Garza and Potter and Livers and Reuvers and Nunge and Scott on Maryland and Robbins on Minny and Williams who is not really a big but plays the four for Illinois and shitty Hauser on MSU and even Gillis on Purdooo which really pisses me off.

And also because other than Armaan our guards are either incapable or too chicken **** to get a shoulder past a defender and out-quick or bully their way to the rim.

So, in my opinion, the offensive sets and schemes are pretty decent but the players in those schemes are not shot makers.

The two best ways to score in modern college basketball are from three and by being quick to the rim. Our bigs are quick to the rim but are terrible beyond 15 feet. Our guards are not really offense minded in either way.

THERE...I feel better now. By the way, our defense is pretty good, even for a B1G team.

 

 

[Brass Cannon 24,222]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s because we cannot spread the court and create driving lanes because our two best bigs cannot shoot a three at all unlike other top forwards in the B1G like Garza and Potter and Livers and Reuvers and Nunge and Scott on Maryland and Robbins on Minny and Williams who is not really a big but plays the four for Illinois and shitty Hauser on MSU and even Gillis on Purdooo which really pisses me off.

And also because other than Armaan our guards are either incapable or too chicken **** to get a shoulder past a defender and out-quick or bully their way to the rim.

So, in my opinion, the offensive sets and schemes are pretty decent but the players in those schemes are not shot makers.

The two best ways to score in modern college basketball are from three and by being quick to the rim. Our bigs are quick to the rim but are terrible beyond 15 feet. Our guards are not really offense minded in either way.

THERE...I feel better now. By the way, our defense is pretty good, even for a B1G team.

 

 

Eh our defense is 6th ranked in conference on Kenpom.  I’m afraid to look at the offense. But I’m assuming even Crean had a team or two better than 6th and his teams were tired shooting 

[Hoosierfan2017 20,821]

We’re 4th in the conference in 3pt percentage in conference during conference play amazingly, but we’re dead last in 3pt attempts and 12th in makes. On the flip side, we’re 3rd in free throw attempts but 11th in free throw percentage. On the season, we’re 308th in the nation in 3pt attempts. We’re 27th in free throw attempts, but 284th in free throw percentage. 
 

I went back and looked, and that’s been the case since Archie took over. Last year we were 273rd in free throw percentage and 325th in 3pt attempts. The year before that we were 297th in 3pt attempts and 329th in free throw percentage. And in his first year we were 272nd in 3pt attempts and 330th in free throw percentage. 
 

That combination is a recipe for disaster. Our offense is designed around drawing fouls, but we can’t hit them. We’ve also been near the bottom of D1 in 3pt attempts throughout his time here. The players have cycled in and out but these issues have remained. I don’t know why Archie has such bad offenses, but you’re not going to win many games when you’re taking so few 3s and you’re missing so many free throws. 

[lillurk 3,738]

The offense runs zero plays to free shooters, all the action is designed inside. (You don’t have to believe me, Tony Adragna, who runs IU Film Room, said it on Crimson Cast.)

That’s bad.

Someone tell Arch 3s are worth 50% more than 2s.

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7 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

It’s because we cannot spread the court and create driving lanes because our two best bigs cannot shoot a three at all unlike other top forwards in the B1G like Garza and Potter and Livers and Reuvers and Nunge and Scott on Maryland and Robbins on Minny and Williams who is not really a big but plays the four for Illinois and shitty Hauser on MSU and even Gillis on Purdooo which really pisses me off.

And also because other than Armaan our guards are either incapable or too chicken **** to get a shoulder past a defender and out-quick or bully their way to the rim.

So, in my opinion, the offensive sets and schemes are pretty decent but the players in those schemes are not shot makers.

The two best ways to score in modern college basketball are from three and by being quick to the rim. Our bigs are quick to the rim but are terrible beyond 15 feet. Our guards are not really offense minded in either way.

THERE...I feel better now. By the way, our defense is pretty good, even for a B1G team.

 

 

I'm still not sure how Mizzou is ranked. They shoot 30% from 3. 

[Stuhoo 79,566]

59 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm still not sure how Mizzou is ranked. They shoot 30% from 3. 

 

1) They spread the floor and drive.

2) They have a good won/lost record—they’ve won their close games.

3) They play crappy SEC teams.

4) They have Pinson, a scorer that can self create shots and get tough end of game buckets.(see item ‘2’ above).

5)  Of their top six players in minutes played, five of them are over 80% from the line (see item ‘2’ above).

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1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

1) They spread the floor and drive.

2) They have a good won/lost record—they’ve won their close games.

3) They play crappy SEC teams.

4) They have Pinson, a scorer that can self create shots and get tough end of game buckets.(see item ‘2’ above).

5)  Of their top six players in minutes played, five of them are over 80% from the line (see item ‘2’ above).

Also 30% from 3 is ugly and no good, but it’s worth as many points as 45% on 2s. We have plenty of possessions where a 3 with a 30% chance is better than what we get even if we don’t know our chance of an offensive rebound.

As an example, Juwan shot 29.7% from 3 at IU.

[TheWatShot 13,622]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I'm still not sure how Mizzou is ranked. They shoot 30% from 3. 

Crappy teams have been getting ranked all year (except us). Minnesota was ranked last week and they're 4-7 in the Big Ten right now.