General Coach Candidate News

[OKHOOSIER]

Just now, Treesh said:

I appreciate your effort. Until you go to Arkansas and the campus, you don’t know what you don’t know. 
 

Mussleman is there for a while!

outside of some ranked matchups at assembly, the most electric basketball arena I have ever been to. That place is special, just unknown.

[Moye > Boozer]

5 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

What does IU have that UT doesn't

It's all part of the cash game friends ...... they're mandated to hate IU

[Indiana8585]

Just now, IU Scott said:

I have seen the best of IU basketball and the worst of it and right now IU is no better job than UT.  I think it is time for this fan base to take their crimson colored glasses off and see the reality of this program.  We might not agree with the perception of this fan base but there is a lot of truth to it as well.  I have for years thought this fan base has been a big detriment to the overall health of the program.  Nobody wants to hear or see it but it is there.

They haven’t won a tourney game since 2014, haven’t been to the sweet 16 since 2008, and fired the only coach who brought success. So please enlighten us all how it’s a better job? 

[Trish]

3 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

outside of some ranked matchups at assembly, the most electric basketball arena I have ever been to. That place is special, just unknown.

Mussleman is all about the WPS pre game post game. He ain’t leaving that. 

[goonaha]

4 minutes ago, Moye > Boozer said:

It's all part of the cash game friends ...... they're mandated to hate IU

Neither Goodman nor Parrish work for ESPN. 

[IU Prof]

Unless you are drinking the BradAnon kool aid, from the outside looking in it appears that the wheels are coming off this search. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by IU Prof

[OKHOOSIER]

5 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said:

They haven’t made the elite eight or sweet 16 since 2008 either so again how’s it the better job? You’ve given no reasons 

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which of those records would you prefer? Which of those records says better team? I am not arguing history. But recent history? it isnt close.

[Unexpectedflash]

Just now, Indiana8585 said:

They haven’t won a tourney game since 2014, haven’t been to the sweet 16 since 2008, and fired the only coach who brought success. So please enlighten us all how it’s a better job? 

Apparently IU fans are some unique breed of fandom that is so much worse than every other fanbase in the country. It doesn't matter that the Liddel at OSU needed security after social media threats, or that UNC and UK fans want their coaches fired after one bad year. No IU fans are so scary because after 20 years with minimal success we're hoping not to settle for mediocrity. I'm tired of this notion that IU fans are somehow so much harder to deal with than other fanbases. If UNC, Kentucky, or Kansas fans had to deal with the lack of success that we have the last twenty years I'm sure they would be even worse than us. 

[T White]

30 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Dolson is in completely over his head at this point. I think after both the Matta news and this news we can conclude that he doesn’t have some master plan of getting a guy still coaching. I don’t think he has any plan at all beyond grasping at straws.  

Or that Goodman is full of crap.

[Dizz]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

Unless you are drinking the BradAnon kool aid, from the outside looking in it appears that the wheels are coming off this search. If I'm Dolson, I would be leaking something to give the fan base some sense that things are under control...unless I can't.

What the fan base thinks until someone is hired, is irrelevant.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, IU Prof said:

Unless you are drinking the BradAnon kool aid, from the outside looking in it appears that the wheels are coming off this search. If I'm Dolson, I would be leaking something to give the fan base some sense that things are under control...unless I can't.

Thing is, the timing is normal. We want reassurance and answers, but nothing is off here timing wise it’s just that we want answers. 

[Its Always Sunny at IU]

6 minutes ago, Treesh said:

It’s maybe a good thing..

 

If we were hiring Matta, Iu guy, John, mid major guy, it would be done by now. 
 

I hope...

Probably the Matta the story was true. Dolson is basically a fundraiser/cheerleader and has no experience with hiring coaches. And it's showing. A complete embarrassment. He's certainly not playing 3-D chess like some posters believe. Just hire Fife and get this circus over with already. 

[Indiana8585]

5 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

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which of those records would you prefer? Which of those records says better team? I am not arguing history. But recent history? it isnt close.

Well I’d have to look at the schedules etc because maybe you forgot but we went through 3 of the worst ever years rebuilding our program which skew the numbers. They haven’t won a tournament game since 2014, but no mention of that, fired the only coach who had success, and haven’t made the S16 since 2008. So how does that scream better job? 
 

Plus Arkansas is even worse made their first S16 since 1996 this year. 
 

agree to disagree I don’t want to get this thread sidetracked. Good discussion though and honestly a good question 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Indiana8585

[IU Prof]

The only reports from objective national media sources are that we've been turned down by Matta and Holtmann, and interviewed a couple underwhelming IU guys. That's not a good sign 11 days in to a search that has been in the works for over a month.

Edited March 26, 2021 by IU Prof

[Moye > Boozer]

10 minutes ago, akumanina said:

Hard to believe Scott Dolson tried to pry Holtmann off of OSU, a prominent member of Big Ten. I think there's a line that schools in the same conference just don't cross. 

I don't disagree but it just feels like IU might be acting like the injured pitbull right now. Glass didn't mind calling out the rivals a few months back (see quote).

I'm thinking Dolson just doesn't give a **** and whoever gave him the cash doesn't either.

We've allowed ourselves to be pushed around and it's time for that to stop. Hoping this hire proves it.

[IU Scott]

Just now, IU Prof said:

The only reports from objective national media sources are that we've been turned down by Matta and Holtmann, and interviewed a couple underwhelming IU guys. That's not a good sign 11 days in to a search that has been in the works for over a month.

Again there are candidates that still could be in the tournament so maybe they are waiting to talk to them.

[Hoosier2014]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

511-265

394-291

which of those records would you prefer? Which of those records says better team? I am not arguing history. But recent history? it isnt close.

One school you will become a god at if you succeed. The other you won't even fill your arena and will always be an afterthought to the football program. Maybe you could say one is less stressful and therefore a better job but its not based on what you are saying that's for sure.

[IUCrazy2]

2 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said:

How? They can’t fill their arena when they’re ranked and it’s never ever going to come close to football. We’ve had more recent tourney success and we haven’t even made it in 5 years. 

Because they can and do pay a bunch of money for that.  

We have much more of a pro type of situation here.  The coach wins or the coach has to get the f out.  We are kind of in a catch 22, losing as much as we have for a program that feels the resources and such should have lead to better results leads to anger or apathy.  IU has screwed this up so bad that the patience just is not there anymore.  If you are winning at your school and they are paying you $2.5 million a year (or more) how much more do you require to take this risk?

This job just set Archie Miller back quite a bit.

And the dirty truth that I don't think our Bob Knight obsessed fanbase or administration can come to grips with is that the holier than thou stuff ties one of our hands behind our back before we even take the court.  We reported for phone calls...you can say the other stuff about Sampson, but we narc'ed on a coach for phone calls.  The administration does not really give off the "we will help you win" vibe while also giving off the "you will be judged harshly and quickly if you do not win" vibe.

I hope Dolson actually has a rabbit to pull out of a hat, his @$$, or wherever...because appearances are that this program is in some really big trouble.

[AZ Hoosier]

6 minutes ago, T White said:

Or that Goodman is full of crap.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Give that man a see-gar...

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, Indiana8585 said:

Well I’d have to look at the schedules etc because maybe you forgot but we went through 3 of the worst ever years rebuilding our program which skew the numbers. They haven’t won a tournament game since 2014, but no mention of that, fired the only coach who had success, and haven’t made the S16 since 2008. So how does that scream better job? 
 

Plus Arkansas is even worse made their first S16 since 1996 this year. 

Dude you have to put your emotion and love for IU to the side. I am not speaking to you as a guy who does not bleed IU, two degrees, met my wife there, I love Bloomington and the state. I have been around the world in the Air Force, met diehard fans around the landscape of college sports, and I can tell you 100% no one outside of our bubble thinks the IU job is better than say a Texas or Arkansas job because of a couple of SSs in the last six years. By your logic, Loyola Chicago is a better job than IU. We are not looked at by the basketball world like a Duke, UNC or Kentucky. It pains me to even type that, but it is reality. The ceiling is there, but right now we are stuck in the elevator in the basement.