General Coach Candidate News

[HoosierFan1994]

51 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

If he actually said that, he's coming back. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

12 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Right, I would never expect him, or any AD, to come out saying they are firing their coach once the season is over. It's just interesting if he was on the topic and said they were on the same page but nothing else. It could mean a lot of things. But if they've talked and Dolson is already set on him coming back, it's a good opportunity to express more confidence in Archie leading the program than just saying they are on the same page. So if he didn't do that, it makes me think there is a good chance they page they are on is an amicable agreement to part ways. Of course, maybe it's just that I really want to believe that's the case. 

Maybe he’s already decided to bring him back, but he knows how pissed the fanbase will be so he’s waiting for a chance to bury it in the news cycle. 
 

I just don’t see how bringing him back could be anything but the absolute last resort if we can’t get anyone halfway good to take the job. We’ve finished 9th, T-10th, and T-10th in the conference the past three seasons. He’s 0-7 against Purdue. He has the worst recruiting class in the conference coming in next year. Bringing him back and repeating the last four years should be the last thing Dolson wants. 

[Trish]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Maybe he’s already decided to bring him back, but he knows how pissed the fanbase will be so he’s waiting for a chance to bury it in the news cycle. 
 

I just don’t see how bringing him back could be anything but the absolute last resort if we can’t get anyone halfway good to take the job. We’ve finished 9th, T-10th, and T-10th in the conference the past three seasons. He’s 0-7 against Purdue. He has the worst recruiting class in the conference coming in next year. Bringing him back and repeating the last four years should be the last thing Dolson wants. 

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

[finky]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Is anyone a member of the Wells house society? Dolson did a conference call with them last night. A few things he said that I saw on another site was that the elephant in the room is men's basketball. Said he disappointed in the inconsistencies of the basketball program but that he and Archie are 100% on the same page. Take that for what it's worth. 

I hope that 100% on the same page means they both agree a change has to be made.  Anything other than that is just crazy talk.

[Chris007]

I will say I think that Scott is doing what he is supposed to do. Raise the money in case he needs it, do the backchanneling to see whose interested, or talk to the agents of the coaches he is interested in, wait for the season to be over. If you get someone you want, then you are set ready to move forward. Now I think where some of us differ is I would have a list of 8-10 people I think could do better than Archie, Scott might just have a list of 2-3. Time will tell. 

[IUrocker]

I would also hope to think that Dolson is aware that if he got rid of Archie now, the new coach would be able to build the team he wants in a hurry because of the free transfer year. If he waits until next year, it’s gonna be a lot harder for a coach to build if he has to. I could see guys we have being more than willing to stay at IU for a new coach, and then if the new guy happens to need to bring anyone else in, it’s gonna be a heck of a lot easier to do it this year. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

16 minutes ago, Treesh said:

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

TJD’s recent antics combined with his two-year then pro plan make it about a 0% chance that he’s back at IU next year, imo. Even if everything else you listed happens, I don’t see us being any better next year without TJD. He’s not a perfect player and his inability to shoot frustrates us, but he’s still carried us on his shoulders for most of the year. 
 

Heck, even if he does come back and everything you said happens, we still could find a way to IU it up. If you had been told back in November that TJD would be a 20 and 9 all-American, and Armaan Franklin would become a stud and a 45% three point shooter, would you have thought we’d be better than 12-14 at this point in the season? 
 

And then you run into problems if you bring him back. Say things do go well and we have a year like Crean had in 2015. We finish 7th or 8th in the conference, squeeze into the tournament, and lose in the first round. We have to do something with him at that point. Do we extend him? Do we fire him? Do we let him go into the next year with just two years left on the contract? 

[Trish]

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

[IUrocker]

I really hope Dolson is just being quiet now but then once the season is over he comes out like a lion and says enough is enough, changes need to be made, we are getting our guy. IU will be great again. That’d be sweet, ha 

[Golfman25]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

Maybe recruits don't like losing to Purdue either.  

[HoosierFan1994]

30 minutes ago, Treesh said:

While the chances of us being good are slim, there is a chance we have a better roster.

- Transfers

-TJD staying

-Freshman improve

- Joey stays

- Race / Frank improve and Rob finds jesus.

Yeah I say it all the time but maybe it could happen. Nonetheless, a new coach probably wouldn't be walking into a completely terrible roster. There's some potential. Lots of If's! Archie hasn't earned the confidence of anyone and probably won't this summer if he's still here. Scott is probably doing some homework behind the scenes and if Archie is let go, then Scott has someone. 

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think. 

[NOLA Hoosier]

I’m losing confidence, and rapidly.

And guys, I didn’t even think about this: not only will IU not be in the tournament held in their own state...Zaga could be perfect. HOW could we possibly come back as a program after that without an immediate coaching change???

[HoosierFan1994]

10 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

I think I said this last week but I wish Terry Hutchens was still around. He would for sure write a book about this and it would be terrific. I have a few guesses as to why it failed. 

1) I think (key word think) Archie was afraid to coach Romeo. I think that ultimately pissed off the team and set the tone for the last few years. Say what we want about Calipari, but I think the reason Romeo didn't consider UK was because Cal wouldn't kiss his a$$.

2) He inherited a terrible roster and for whatever reason kept a lot of these guys here. Now was that Archie's choice, admins? Who knows. He just didn't inherit a big ten roster. 

3) That being said, he missed on recruits. Jake Forrester, Damezi Anderson...it's looking like Jerome and Rob were overrated . Archie had to hit on that 2018 class. Imagine if Jake, Damezi, Jerome, and Rob lived up to the expectations of the staff. This team would be pretty good with the addition of Trayce and Armaan. Outside of Romeo that class is almost as bad as the movement. 

4) I think he lost the fan base losing 12/13 in the 2018-2019 season. Each of the last three coaches have lost the fan base and it's hard to recover from that..right or wrong... Davis lost it by missing the tournament two years in a row, Sampson by the NCAA Violations (Although those seem minor now), and Crean losing to Syracuse in 2013. 

[Trish]

7 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think. 

I agree. The roster isn't too bad. It's not unrealistic to think Lander will take a major step this summer. We've seen things from Jordan and Trey that shows that can play for Indiana. Every freshman has their own ways to go but there's something there. Archie's best recruiting class hands down and I know that's not saying much but they have some skill.

 

 

[monskisprodigy]

15 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think. 

My biggest gripe with CAM is his roster management. Left two scholarships open, while bringing in 4 freshman...one of whom should still be a senior in high school and preparing for prom. Coming into this season this roster only had one point guard (outside of Lander), in Rob, who has underachieved in his career, struggled to shoot and has zero confidence for whatever reason. Further, the remainder of our roster, outside of TJD, is rounded out with players who aren't talented enough IMO to be starters or get significant minutes in this league on top half teams.

Oh, and did I mention we have 2 SCHOLARSHIPS OPEN! CAM failed to address the 2 primary issues in the off season (Understand he brought Parker in for his shooting, TBD), find a proven knockdown shooter, and a point guard who can show up more than 2 games a season. I understand that some of the freshman were supposed to be shooters and contribute because of a star ranking, but relying on a freshman to do anything is a risk he shouldn't have been willing to take in year 4.

[HoosierFan1994]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

I agree. The roster isn't too bad. It's not unrealistic to think Lander will take a major step this summer. We've seen things from Jordan and Trey that shows that can play for Indiana. Every freshman has their own ways to go but there's something there. Archie's best recruiting class hands down and I know that's not saying much but they have some skill.

 

 

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

[Bowhunter]

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

Unfortunately he still could chose Michigan.


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[Trish]

8 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

Looking at his recruiting profile right now. This kid had MAJOR offers. Nice grab for Archie and staff. It stinks he hasn't had that great of a year but he's going to be good. He's shown flashes, he just needs to find the speed of the game and some confidence. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

10 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

4) I think he lost the fan base losing 12/13 in the 2018-2019 season. Each of the last three coaches have lost the fan base and it's hard to recover from that..right or wrong... Davis lost it by missing the tournament two years in a row, Sampson by the NCAA Violations (Although those seem minor now), and Crean losing to Syracuse in 2013. 

That’s when he lost me. I wasn’t at “ok we need to fire this guy now” levels when that happened, but the honeymoon was over at that point. Going from 12-2 and ranked #21 in the country to 13-14 over a month and a half was the biggest wtf moment of my IU fandom.

[ap2345]

Dolson and Archie being on the same page could mean any number of things. For example on Friday after IU loses to Rutgers it could be announced that IU and Archie are mutually parting ways. That would mean that they were in fact on the same page but yet the program is going in a different direction.