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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

Referring to Matta as 1 of 2 old guys? Only his back is old. If that is better, which none of us know, then yeah him please

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Yes, Matta and Beilein are the old guys. Matta might be younger in age but after multiple back surgeries your not young anymore. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

51 minutes ago, Treesh said:

- TJD could stay and actually should stay if he wants to keep playing in America and not Turkey

- Al can come back. Look for him to transfer this year though.

- Rob might have a come to jesus moment. 

- Race / Frank will be back and will hopefully improve with our freshman.

- Joey is back more than likely

- Transfer market

 

All hope isn't lost but there's a chance we could put a team together next year. A lot of things would have to work in our favor clearly but hey, crazier things have happened in the history of basketball right?

 

 

I'd be fine with TJD returning under a different coach. Not Archie. 

Al needs to go. Sorry but Frank is better and we have Leal and Stewart. Hunter should be starting next season as well along with the rest of this season. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Yes, Matta and Beilein are the old guys. Matta might be younger in age but after multiple back surgeries your not young anymore. 

Is Matta someone who would actually take the job?  I'd be happy if we hired Matta, messed up back and all

At this point, I'm honestly just done with Archie. It's nothing against him personally. I've never met the guy, but he doesn't strike me as a jerk, unlike a previous diet coke loving coach of ours did. I just hate the current state of the program.  

[Chris007]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Is Matta someone who would actually take the job?  I'd be happy if we hired Matta, messed up back and all

At this point, I'm honestly just done with Archie. It's nothing against him personally. I've never met the guy, but he doesn't strike me as a jerk, unlike a previous diet coke loving coach of ours did. I just hate the current state of the program.  

Mixed reports there. Some say he has expressed interest, others have said he won't take it from good friend Archie

[Bowhunter]

Brunk doesn't move the needle for me at all really to be honest, but if he had Brooks and Henry signed and on board then I would consider it. I'd consider it even more if TJD was coming back too. I would still see if I could hire an upgrade, though. Land a good enough coach and we could still be serious players on the transfer market. 

I don’t see Brooks or Henry coming here. We are a train wreck right now!


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

34 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I deserve the 5th year because we will have Brooks, Henry, Parker Stewart, and Joey Brunk all players that didn't play for IU this year. Not that this is going to happen but would you be OK if he said something like that? You can still fire him next year. You have to remember he was asked to take a pay cut this year because of COVID

Gives me even more of a reason to fire him. 

[rcbowla]

Mixed reports there. Some say he has expressed interest, others have said he won't take it from good friend Archie

If I were in his spot I wouldn't think of it as "taking" it from AM. If he's fired then there's nothing to take from him. I would simply see it as being the next coach that happened to be the one right after AM. Someone's going to take the job so may as well.

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[southernindianahoosier2]

Yeah I think we have sent out feelers for the college level and what we're hearing back is not good. So you're looking at the two old guys, or an assistant at a big-time program, or a mid-major guy. Or you save money and wait till next year. Dolson can research this all he wants but he can't make this decision on his own.

So let me get this straight.

We self Sabotage with how the knight firing went down, forcing us to hire someone that we probably didn’t necessarily want, we then fire him. Get another coach that not everyone wants. We self sabotage and fire Sampson because some boosters didn’t like him. Because of that we’re forced to hire Crean which a lot of people didn’t want, then we can’t fire Crean because his buyout was too high, so we delay the inevitable..then we fire Crean and hire Archie, whom not everyone was excited for...but now we can’t fire him and get someone we want because buyouts are too high... so it seems we’re gonna settle on someone not everyone wants....

This seems like a repeating pattern. Why can’t Iu just hire a good coach like Ohio state, Illinois, Louisville, or any other school. Is it one persons fault? Who’s the puppet master making the same mistakes over and over again?? Who can we blame lol


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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

If I were in his spot I wouldn't think of it as "taking" it from AM. If he's fired then there's nothing to take from him. I would simply see it as being the next coach that happened to be the one right after AM. Someone's going to take the job so may as well.

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As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

 

So let me get this straight.

We self Sabotage with how the knight firing went down, forcing us to hire someone that we probably didn’t necessarily want, we then fire him. Get another coach that not everyone wants. We self sabotage and fire Sampson because some boosters didn’t like him. Because of that we’re forced to hire Crean which a lot of people didn’t want, then we can’t fire Crean because his buyout was too high, so we delay the inevitable..then we fire Crean and hire Archie, whom not everyone was excited for...but now we can’t fire him and get someone we want because buyouts are too high... so it seems we’re gonna settle on someone not everyone wants....

This seems like a repeating pattern. Why can’t Iu just hire a good coach like Ohio state, Illinois, Louisville, or any other school. Is it one persons fault? Who’s the puppet master making the same mistakes over and over again?? Who can we blame lol


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I don't think a lot of people are lining up to work for this athletic department. Most of the same people have been there during all of these hires. Hopefully getting a new president will help this summer. 

[rcbowla]

As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

Is it that or because he's good buddies with AM. That's what I was referring to because that was the reason you said Matta may not want to take the job. I don't buy into all that other stuff as a rule. I'm sure some/many coaches do feel that way but I'm also sure there are a lot that are ego maniacs and don't believe their abilities would ever put them in that position.

 

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[Chris007]

Just now, rcs29 said:

Is it that or because he's good buddies with AM. That's what I was referring to because that was the reason you said Matta may not want to take the job. I don't buy into all that other stuff as a rule. I'm sure some/many coaches do feel that way but I'm also sure there are a lot that are ego maniacs and don't believe there abilities would ever put them in that position.

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Yes their close friendship but that would probably change if AM called Matta and said take the job

[Stuhoo]

29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

50/50 on someone leaving a big city to come to a small town. No inside knowledge on this but going back to listening to interviews to people about BS they've been disappointed in him for a while now. 

That is WAY higher than I would place it. Like 48% higher 

[rcbowla]

That is WAY higher than I would place it. Like 48% higher 

Just want to post the meme yourself or see how it plays out?

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[rcbowla]

Yes their close friendship but that would probably change if AM called Matta and said take the job

Which also something I'd do if in AM's position. I would give my blessing before it was asked for. I also wouldn't hold it against a good friend but everyone is different. I understand that is a different element to consider though.

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[Chris007]

1 minute ago, rcs29 said:

Which also something I'd do if in AM's position. I would give my blessing before it was asked for. I also wouldn't hold it against a good friend but everyone is different. I understand that is a different element to consider though.

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If IU was dumb enough to give me a 10 million buyout, I would tell any of my friends to go take their money if they want to give it to you. 

[Trish]

I can't get behind a guy who was on a downward trend at O$U and hasn't sniffed a basketball in FOUR YEARS.

Kids don't remember him, his recruiting was already on the fritz. 

No thanks. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

As I've tried to say today that a lot of coaches feel that removing a coach after year 4, when there was no tourney last year & coaching during COVID this year while taking a pay cut is bad business. When you add in 5 coaches in 21 years, I think people are hesitant to come here. I think people think it is an administration problem. Can't run off players, harder to get grad transfers things like that. 

Coaching’s a fraternity so they’re going to stick up for one of their own. They also have vested interests in coaches getting longer leashes from their schools. The lower the expectations, the greater the job security.
 

Coaches might think four years isn’t long enough, but they can’t deny that Archie hasn’t gotten it done. And they also can’t deny that our year 5 outlook is quite bleak. Recruiting has fallen off a cliff, and it’ll only be worse next year. He’s not going to get any difference making recruits  sign when he’s sitting on a scorching hot seat. . Four years is plenty of time to time to get a program turned in the right direction. Two coaches in our own conference who were hired the same year as Archie have done exactly that. 

 

[Bowhunter]

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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[Hoosierfan2017]

7 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

I don’t get all the Matta love either. They were in a downward trend. OSU was ready to move on. If that’s the best we can do, we really have fallen.


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Despite the ‘downward trend,’ he went 11-7 in the big ten in his second to last season. That’s better than we’ve done in the past 5 years. He hasn’t even coached in the past four seasons yet he’s been to as many NCAA tournaments in the past five seasons as IU has. I fully expect whoever we hire to be worse than Thad Matta.