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[DChoosier]

2 hours ago, iu eyedoc said:

Not sure your point, every teams 12th and 13th man just rides the pines. Almost every team only goes 8 or 9 deep for over 5 min/G PT. Leal and Galloway could easily be a12 and 13 on a B1G and NCAA championship team. If one leaves for Brooks, someone else will move down a notch and  lose PT to  Brooks or Brooks won't get the PT he wants and that is the guy that will most likely be an unhappy teammate.

I see a bigger potential problem with Hunter going from 20 min/G to 12-17 or Rob Phin 27 to 15ish. Galloway has to see the reduced minutes coming, but it will be a much harsher reality for an upperclassman to except graciously.

I agree and have been thinking (with zero inside knowledge) that Hunter would be more likely to move on.  I’m not saying that I want Hunter, or any of the other players, to leave but I would guess that towards the end of last year he assumed he would be a major minutes guy this season.  Major minutes are no longer assured, to say the least, and he might not accept that (I say “might not” because I have no idea what his mindset is).

One would think that Leal and Galloway have more of a “I’m not going to see a ton of minutes this year” mindset and, since they seem to really love IU, they might accept that. If they stay the unknown will be how long they remain happy if minutes continue to look bleak their junior and senior years. Who knows, but the portal will make things “interesting” every year.

[ebridges24]

It's great to have a new coach like Woody, we won't have to worry about losing recruits like Brooks and Kaufman to UK and PU any more.

[IU Scott]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

Wish more people would realize this

Even if someone would leave the perception will be that they were pushed out to make room for Brooks.  I don't see why people worry so much about the 12th and 13th spot on the roster.  Look at the roster of our last championship team and see how many actually played any significant minutes.

Steve Alford	SR	G	6-2	22.0 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 3.6 Ast
Daryl Thomas	SR	F	6-7	15.7 Pts, 5.7 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Dean Garrett		C	6-10	11.4 Pts, 8.5 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Keith Smart		G	6-1	11.2 Pts, 2.9 Reb, 3.2 Ast
Rick Calloway		F	6-6	12.6 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 2.6 Ast
Steve Eyl	JR	F	6-6	3.0 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.2 Ast
Joe Hillman	SO	G	6-2	2.5 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 2.1 Ast
Magnus Pelkowski	SO	C	6-10	3.8 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Kreigh Smith		G	6-7	1.5 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Tony Freeman		G	5-7	2.2 Pts, 0.9 Reb, 2.4 Ast
Brian Sloan	SO	F	6-8	2.1 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Todd Meier	SR	F	6-8	1.1 Pts, 1.5 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Dave Minor		F	6-6	0.8 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Jeff Oliphant	FR	G	6-5	1.5 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast

[Hoosierfan2017]

4 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Even if someone would leave the perception will be that they were pushed out to make room for Brooks.  I don't see why people worry so much about the 12th and 13th spot on the roster.  Look at the roster of our last championship team and see how many actually played any significant minutes.

Steve Alford	SR	G	6-2	22.0 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 3.6 Ast
Daryl Thomas	SR	F	6-7	15.7 Pts, 5.7 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Dean Garrett		C	6-10	11.4 Pts, 8.5 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Keith Smart		G	6-1	11.2 Pts, 2.9 Reb, 3.2 Ast
Rick Calloway		F	6-6	12.6 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 2.6 Ast
Steve Eyl	JR	F	6-6	3.0 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.2 Ast
Joe Hillman	SO	G	6-2	2.5 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 2.1 Ast
Magnus Pelkowski	SO	C	6-10	3.8 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Kreigh Smith		G	6-7	1.5 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Tony Freeman		G	5-7	2.2 Pts, 0.9 Reb, 2.4 Ast
Brian Sloan	SO	F	6-8	2.1 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Todd Meier	SR	F	6-8	1.1 Pts, 1.5 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Dave Minor		F	6-6	0.8 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Jeff Oliphant	FR	G	6-5	1.5 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast

This picture doesn’t show how many minutes any of those guys played.

[DChoosier]

52 minutes ago, VO5 said:

I think we’ll see a guard leave. No clue who it will be, but I have a guess. 

I agree.
Don’t know who might leave but a few weeks ago, if you were an IU guard, Franklin probably told you he was leaving which meant a lot of available Durham/Franklin minutes for this upcoming season and then........here come Johnson and Bates to eat up a ton of those minutes.
It would not be a shocker if a player that sincerely stated he was looking forward to playing for Woody next season is now wondering if he will see more than 5-8 minutes a game. Don’t think the roster is set yet.

[IU Scott]

4 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

This picture doesn’t show how many minutes any of those guys played.

Remember watching every game and that team played 7 players most of the time with Eyle and Hillman getting minutes off the bench.  

Per Game

Rk	Player	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1	Steve Alford	34	34	37.0	7.1	14.9	.474	3.9	9.0	.438	3.1	5.9	.530	4.7	5.3	.889	2.6	3.6	1.1	0.1	1.9	1.5	22.0
2	Daryl Thomas	34	34	30.0	5.9	10.9	.538	5.9	10.9	.538	0.0	0.0		4.0	5.1	.786	5.7	0.8	1.3	0.4	2.1	2.9	15.7
3	Rick Calloway	29	27	30.0	5.0	9.5	.531	5.0	9.5	.531	0.0	0.0		2.5	3.3	.742	4.3	2.6	1.1	0.2	2.3	2.7	12.6
4	Dean Garrett	34	33	28.0	4.8	8.9	.542	4.8	8.9	.542	0.0	0.0		1.8	2.8	.635	8.5	0.6	0.5	2.7	1.2	2.7	11.4
5	Keith Smart	34	31	26.0	4.4	8.4	.517	4.0	7.4	.538	0.4	1.0	.364	2.2	2.6	.841	2.9	3.2	0.9	0.1	2.2	3.0	11.2
6	Magnus Pelkowski	14	1	8.0	1.7	3.3	.522	1.6	3.1	.512	0.1	0.2	.667	0.2	0.4	.600	1.9	0.1	0.1	0.2	0.5	1.6	3.8
7	Steve Eyl	34	1	17.0	1.0	1.6	.648	1.0	1.6	.648	0.0	0.0		0.9	1.4	.674	3.4	1.2	0.5	0.2	0.8	1.3	3.0
8	Joe Hillman	32	5	13.0	0.9	1.8	.483	0.8	1.7	.509	0.0	0.2	.200	0.7	1.0	.742	1.2	2.1	0.3	0.1	0.9	1.4	2.5
9	Tony Freeman	16	0	10.0	0.6	1.5	.417	0.6	1.3	.450	0.1	0.3	.250	0.9	1.3	.700	0.9	2.4	0.6	0.0	1.2	1.0	2.2
10	Brian Sloan	17	1	7.0	0.8	1.7	.448	0.8	1.6	.464	0.0	0.1	.000	0.5	1.1	.500	1.1	0.5	0.2	0.2	0.4	0.9	2.1
11	Jeff Oliphant	2	0	3.0	0.0	0.0		0.0	0.0		0.0	0.0		1.5	2.5	.600	2.0	0.5	0.0	0.0	0.5	0.5	1.5
12	Kreigh Smith	25	1	8.0	0.5	1.0	.500	0.2	0.6	.313	0.3	0.3	.875	0.2	0.3	.857	0.8	0.6	0.2	0.0	0.2	0.5	1.5
13	Todd Meier	29	0	7.0	0.3	0.7	.450	0.3	0.7	.450	0.0	0.0		0.4	0.8	.591	1.5	0.2	0.2	0.0	0.5	1.2	1.1
14	Dave Minor	18	2	6.0	0.3	1.1	.250	0.3	1.1	.250	0.0	0.0		0.3	0.4	.714	0.8	0.6	0.0	0.0	0.7	0.5	0.8

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, IU Scott said:

Remember watching every game and that team played 7 players most of the time with Eyle and Hillman getting minutes off the bench.  Without looking I think every starter played 34+ minutes a game.

I just looked and they had 8 guys play 10+ mpg, with each starter playing 28 mpg or more. Alford played 37 mpg.

[IU Scott]

5 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I just looked and they had 8 guys play 10+ mpg, with each starter playing 28 mpg or more. Alford played 37 mpg.

You also need to look  at the amount of games played because a lot of them did not play in every game.  box score of the 87 championship game.

	Basic Box Score Stats
Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
School Totals	200	30	62	.484	23	51	.451	7	11	.636	7	12	.583	6	25	31	20	7	3	11	17	74
Steve Alford	40	8	15	.533	1	5	.200	7	10	.700	0	0		1	2	3	5	2	0	3	2	23
Daryl Thomas	40	8	18	.444	8	18	.444	0	0		4	7	.571	1	6	7	1	0	0	3	1	20
Keith Smart	35	9	15	.600	9	14	.643	0	1	.000	3	4	.750	0	5	5	6	2	0	2	2	21
Dean Garrett	33	5	10	.500	5	10	.500	0	0		0	0		3	7	10	0	0	3	0	4	10
Rick Calloway	14	0	3	.000	0	3	.000	0	0		0	0		0	2	2	1	0	0	2	3	0
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Joe Hillman	20	0	1	.000	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		1	1	2	6	3	0	0	2	0
Steve Eyl	13	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	1	1	0	0	1	2	0
Todd Meier	4	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	.000	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Kreigh Smith	1	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0

[GloryDays]

1 hour ago, Chris007 said:

Totally agree. My wife had this happen to her after her sophomore year. The new coach said you will sit at the end of the bench and life will be terrible or you can transfer. She thought it was a bluff so she stayed. She went from the 6th man to no playing time and being told to quit the other sport she was playing her junior year. Her senior year her athletic scholarship was taken away and was no longer part of the basketball team. She paid her own way her last semester and left the state of Kentucky for good. 

Coaches want their own people on staff and on the team. 

This starts out rough but her leaving Ky for good actually turns it into a feel good story.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Likelihood of Brooks transferring to IU, ready set go

I don't think it will

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[Hoosierfan2017]

10 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

You also need to look  at the amount of games played because a lot of them did not play in every game.  box score of the 87 championship game.

	Basic Box Score Stats
Starters	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
School Totals	200	30	62	.484	23	51	.451	7	11	.636	7	12	.583	6	25	31	20	7	3	11	17	74
Steve Alford	40	8	15	.533	1	5	.200	7	10	.700	0	0		1	2	3	5	2	0	3	2	23
Daryl Thomas	40	8	18	.444	8	18	.444	0	0		4	7	.571	1	6	7	1	0	0	3	1	20
Keith Smart	35	9	15	.600	9	14	.643	0	1	.000	3	4	.750	0	5	5	6	2	0	2	2	21
Dean Garrett	33	5	10	.500	5	10	.500	0	0		0	0		3	7	10	0	0	3	0	4	10
Rick Calloway	14	0	3	.000	0	3	.000	0	0		0	0		0	2	2	1	0	0	2	3	0
Reserves	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	2P	2PA	2P%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
Joe Hillman	20	0	1	.000	0	1	.000	0	0		0	0		1	1	2	6	3	0	0	2	0
Steve Eyl	13	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	1	1	0	0	1	2	0
Todd Meier	4	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	1	.000	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Kreigh Smith	1	0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0		0	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	0

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. On that IU team they had 7 guys play about every game and play more then 10 mpg. Baylor this year had a rotation of 8 guys playing 15+ mpg. Gonzaga had 6 guys playing 15+ mpg. We’ll probably have about 8-9 guys playing that much this upcoming year. 

[RaceToTheTop]

33 minutes ago, IU Scott said:

Even if someone would leave the perception will be that they were pushed out to make room for Brooks.  I don't see why people worry so much about the 12th and 13th spot on the roster.  Look at the roster of our last championship team and see how many actually played any significant minutes.

Steve Alford	SR	G	6-2	22.0 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 3.6 Ast
Daryl Thomas	SR	F	6-7	15.7 Pts, 5.7 Reb, 0.8 Ast
Dean Garrett		C	6-10	11.4 Pts, 8.5 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Keith Smart		G	6-1	11.2 Pts, 2.9 Reb, 3.2 Ast
Rick Calloway		F	6-6	12.6 Pts, 4.3 Reb, 2.6 Ast
Steve Eyl	JR	F	6-6	3.0 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 1.2 Ast
Joe Hillman	SO	G	6-2	2.5 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 2.1 Ast
Magnus Pelkowski	SO	C	6-10	3.8 Pts, 1.9 Reb, 0.1 Ast
Kreigh Smith		G	6-7	1.5 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Tony Freeman		G	5-7	2.2 Pts, 0.9 Reb, 2.4 Ast
Brian Sloan	SO	F	6-8	2.1 Pts, 1.1 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Todd Meier	SR	F	6-8	1.1 Pts, 1.5 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Dave Minor		F	6-6	0.8 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.6 Ast
Jeff Oliphant	FR	G	6-5	1.5 Pts, 2.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast

It's not just about guys minutes next year.  Meier was a 15 minute player his last two years.  Brian Sloan eventually became a 15 minute guy..  

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

#1 — people that write off Galloway’s athleticism IMO are pigeon holing him.  He is a good athlete.

#2 — as a freshman and sophomore in high school — playing against much older players-/ he took a decent number of threes (near 200 I believe) and shot 37%.  The shot is fixable.

As far as #2 goes, I've wondered and asked about that but never really got an answer. In both his junior and senior seasons he injured his wrist. I wondered if that negatively affected his shot and it just hasn't been fixed yet or if he was always a bad shooter. From what you said, it sounds like the former instead of the latter. In that case, I really want him to stay. Even more than I already did. He has a really good motor, has great hustle and does a lot of small things that don't show up in the stat sheet, can drive and get to the rim, and has a great understanding of the game. If his shot can be fixed and his defense improved, he could be a very good player for IU.

[go iu bb]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Sometimes you have see it with your own eyes or just waiting for the semester to end. I'm guessing after some open gyms when everyone is here in June you will see something

June is too late for them to receive the waiver for immediate eligibility so I doubt we'll see any transfers then. The deadline this year is June 1 and going forward will be May 1.

[iu eyedoc]

2 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Sometimes you have see it with your own eyes or just waiting for the semester to end. I'm guessing after some open gyms when everyone is here in June you will see something

I definitely see it as likely, but what would really bite is if they "make room" for Brooks with one of the fringe players and then someone bolts because of reduced PT. Just my own thoughts but RP, JH, JG seem like the guys that may get slapped in the face with the reality of PT loss and/or currently unrecognized need for a big increase in intensity and focus.

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, go iu bb said:

June is too late for them to receive the waiver for immediate eligibility so I doubt we'll see any transfers then. The deadline this year is June 1 and going forward will be May 1.

I thought it was July 1st this year

[go iu bb]

3 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I thought it was July 1st this year

Hmm, maybe I got the wrong "J" month in my head. I thought it was June but I could be wrong.

Edit: You're correct. July 1 it is. That seems like an awfully long time after the finish of the season and the passing of this rule. June 1 would've made more sense but the NCAA will be the NCAA.

[JJacks]

1 hour ago, ebridges24 said:

That is such a crock of sh!t, I hate hearing things like that.

It is.   The business world isn't any different.  Life lessons. 

[ebridges24]

1 minute ago, JJacks said:

It is.   The business world isn't any different.  Life lessons. 

Believe me, I know it happens in the business world.

[DWB]

I'm having a hard time thinking we will "make room" for K Brooks. The kid was a reserve last year on a less than marginal KY squad. He only shoots 21% from 3. I think Galloway shot better than that, or at least close to it. And I'd much rather have Galloway's hustle, BBall IQ, and passion for IU than Brooks. (which if I remember correctly was 0 when he chose KY)

I just don't see it. My 2¢.