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[Iuguy 8]

14 minutes ago, J34 said:

He's already mentioned having Banks  maybe playing the 2, about a month or so ago.

Well that should be interesting a 6'8 two guard. 

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42 minutes ago, Iuguy said:

Cupps is like what 160 pounds? I am sure he can give some spot minutes but it is hard to imagine him playing 25 minutes a game if x or trey get hurt or are in foul trouble.  It may work out but it could also be a disaster if trey or x get hurt. Plus Cupps is a point guard so trey really has one backup in gunn and that is it period. MM really has no backup unless they play on 6'8 banks playing guard. 

I would say Cupps is probably 185 lbs. 

I would also assume XJ will be playing some "2", before CJ does. 

[Scotty R 2,384]

1 hour ago, mike vannice said:

What about the guy from Spain? Did that fall through?

That was just from one poster and who knows if their was any validity to that 

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1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

That was just from one poster and who knows if their was any validity to that 

 

1 hour ago, Scotty R said:

That was just from one poster and who knows if their was any validity to that 

Wht is the name fo the guy from Spain? If we do bring in anyone it would probably have to happen in the next two weeks. 

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4 hours ago, J34 said:

He's already mentioned having Banks  maybe playing the 2, about a month or so ago.

Have to say if I'm C.J. Gunn, I'd take that as either not encouraging or a message.

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5 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Hope to never see a 6' 8" guy bringing the ball down the court to get it in play with the opponents' defenses set.

Remember Bobby Wilkerson?

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8 minutes ago, Tom White said:

Remember Bobby Wilkerson?

He was good.  What about Magic Johnson?  He was 6’ 9” and was able to do that.  So why not try to develop a 6’8” guard?

[Dave from Dayton 3,367]

24 minutes ago, Tom White said:

Remember Bobby Wilkerson?

My Indiana girl friend (now wife of 46 years) and I graduated in '77.  Went to every. single. game.

Bobby Wilkerson, The Mighty Quinn Buckner, Scott May, Kent Benson....and others.  Heck yeah, we remember Bobby Wilkerson.

Are you comparing catching lightening in a bottle like that team and Bobby Wilkerson to our current, untried 6' 8" guy who we have not yet seen on this upcoming team? And, yes, Bobby Wilkerson was touted to be 6'8" but was he?  And yes, he was unbelievable. 

So, I do not want to see a 6' 8" guard/forward regularly have to bring a ball across the midcourt against a set defense in the Big Ten or post season.  Not as a band aid.  Do you?  Really?

And if he is even close to being as good as Magic Johnson, I will gladly eat my hat and will get up and sing with Martha the Mop Lady.

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20 minutes ago, Tom White said:

Remember Bobby Wilkerson?

6'6"

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1 minute ago, Dave from Dayton said:

 

So, I do not want to see a 6' 8" guard/forward regularly have to bring a ball across the midcourt against a set defense in the Big Ten or post season.  Not as a band aid.  Do you?  Really?

I don't think Woodson was looking at that being a regular occurrence.  Saying we are a bit thin at the 2 IMO doesn't mean we would still expect to see Banks/MM at the 2 anything but on a rare occasion.  Galloway is still the starting 2 for the time being and X can slide to the 2 alongside Cupps.  Gunn and Newton can play the two but Gunn has to be better than last year and we still are hoping for a healthy Newton.

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2 hours ago, Iuguy said:

 

Wht is the name fo the guy from Spain? If we do bring in anyone it would probably have to happen in the next two weeks. 

No one mentioned a name, I don't think there was much validity to it. I think his name might be Ivan Renko Jr.

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1 hour ago, Tom White said:

Remember Bobby Wilkerson?

Magic Johnson is the best PG of all time and is 6'9

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anyone ever heard of Magic Johnson around here sheesh he was 6’9 and played point guard imo

[J34 1,511]

7 hours ago, Iuguy said:

Well that should be interesting a 6'8 two guard. 

In today's game, it's not unusual for this size being able to lead the break, or set up your half court sets.

Long, talented "2's" are a match-up nightmare on offense.  And with our length around the rim, help is there on D.

[Dave from Dayton 3,367]

"In today's game, it's not unusual to this size being able to lead the break..."  That is not what I was referring to.  Fast breaks anyone can lead.

"..or set up your half court sets."  My point is lost here.  The point is that it seems that our 6'8" guy hasn't been leading the offenses for his previous teams.  He is really good.  Glad, very glad he is on our team.  Excited!  

As a spot backup ok.  But, slotting him in the PG position if X and or Trey go down is not something that rings true.  

Furthermore, names thrown out like Magic and Bobby Wilkerson from half a century ago are not compelling that our 6'8" guy is capable of filling a one position...as PG.  Full time.  No.  And Bobby Wilkerson was not the PG.  Mighty Quinn was.  Remember him?

Where are all these 6'8" PGs that are the team's best ball handlers, the court generals, the assist leaders on the teams the full season?  I must be watching the wrong conferences.  They have those guys in the Ohio Valley Conference?  

Is it possible?  Yeah.  Lightening can be caught in a bottle twice in a lifetime.  Sure.  Right.  Probable.  No.

And I sure wouldn't be relying on it.  Not if I was coaching.  It is more likely that X or Trey get hurt.  And I hope not.

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1 hour ago, Dave from Dayton said:

"In today's game, it's not unusual to this size being able to lead the break..."  That is not what I was referring to.  Fast breaks anyone can lead.

"..or set up your half court sets."  My point is lost here.  The point is that it seems that our 6'8" guy hasn't been leading the offenses for his previous teams.  He is really good.  Glad, very glad he is on our team.  Excited!  

As a spot backup ok.  But, slotting him in the PG position if X and or Trey go down is not something that rings true.  

Furthermore, names thrown out like Magic and Bobby Wilkerson from half a century ago are not compelling that our 6'8" guy is capable of filling a one position...as PG.  Full time.  No.  And Bobby Wilkerson was not the PG.  Mighty Quinn was.  Remember him?

Where are all these 6'8" PGs that are the team's best ball handlers, the court generals, the assist leaders on the teams the full season?  I must be watching the wrong conferences.  They have those guys in the Ohio Valley Conference?  

Is it possible?  Yeah.  Lightening can be caught in a bottle twice in a lifetime.  Sure.  Right.  Probable.  No.

And I sure wouldn't be relying on it.  Not if I was coaching.  It is more likely that X or Trey get hurt.  And I hope not.

You're combining multiple conversations into one. I was specifically talking about the 2 position,  as was stated in my post. Also, the post was directly from the horses mouth. So maybe he knows a little more about our team, than we do. I want the 5 on the floor, that gives us the best chance of winning, regardless of position or height. 

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2 hours ago, Dave from Dayton said:

"In today's game, it's not unusual to this size being able to lead the break..."  That is not what I was referring to.  Fast breaks anyone can lead.

"..or set up your half court sets."  My point is lost here.  The point is that it seems that our 6'8" guy hasn't been leading the offenses for his previous teams.  He is really good.  Glad, very glad he is on our team.  Excited!  

As a spot backup ok.  But, slotting him in the PG position if X and or Trey go down is not something that rings true.  

Furthermore, names thrown out like Magic and Bobby Wilkerson from half a century ago are not compelling that our 6'8" guy is capable of filling a one position...as PG.  Full time.  No.  And Bobby Wilkerson was not the PG.  Mighty Quinn was.  Remember him?

Where are all these 6'8" PGs that are the team's best ball handlers, the court generals, the assist leaders on the teams the full season?  I must be watching the wrong conferences.  They have those guys in the Ohio Valley Conference?  

Is it possible?  Yeah.  Lightening can be caught in a bottle twice in a lifetime.  Sure.  Right.  Probable.  No.

And I sure wouldn't be relying on it.  Not if I was coaching.  It is more likely that X or Trey get hurt.  And I hope not.

A 2 is not a PG. IU has 3 players who can play point: XJ, Cupps, and Galloway (if needed). 

The question is where is the depth at the other wing position (the 2 or shooting guard)? The guys mentioned could probably fill that role even if they can't play the point. 

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

A 2 is not a PG. IU has 3 players who can play point: XJ, Cupps, and Galloway (if needed). 

The question is where is the depth at the other wing position (the 2 or shooting guard)? The guys mentioned could probably fill that role even if they can't play the point. 

This is exactly the point.  It was about playing the 2 and we have 3 players who can play the point.  Wilkerson was a 2 guard and the point about throwing Magic out there is that 6’9” guys can play guard whether they are 6’3” or 6’9”.  

[Dave from Dayton 3,367]

7 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

This is exactly the point.  It was about playing the 2 and we have 3 players who can play the point.  Wilkerson was a 2 guard and the point about throwing Magic out there is that 6’9” guys can play guard whether they are 6’3” or 6’9”.    

Yep.  That is your point.

My point is that Indiana probably will not be in the top few of the B1G at the end of the season...will not go far in the NCAAT with the dearth of experience at the 6th and 7th players coming off of the bench to take the point or the 2/3/4.

It is not about whether they can play the 1 or 2 or whatever positionless guard/wing spots.  Sure, Galloway is experienced at both slots. and we can move all around.  But how did IU do with Galloway at point? Smart and handles himself well.  But is he a step slow?  Or Gabe Cupps?  Yeah.  Green freshman really do not have an upper hand against experienced and talented upperclassmen.

I have stated that I am most worried about X's position.  I think that X is great.  If he keeps his head, if he stays healthy, then IU has a great thing going there.  Galloway would be pretty good at the 2 or a 3 maybe.6'4" scored 6.6 ppg and didn't attempt enough.  He needs to create more and hit from out...get to the line more.  Defend like his hair is on fire, again.  But if either of those two go down we are in trouble.

IU lost TJD, Race, Shifino, Geronimo,  and others. And now Newton is undergoing a knee scope.  He struggled with a meniscus problem while a senior in high school.  Will he be available? 

I don't want IU to just get by again.  IU seems to have reloaded out front.  We need experienced guard play...backups. Again.

Sure, by the end of the season Cupps and Gunn and Newton  and  yeah.  My problem is trying to realize that the experienced 6th or 7th player isn't happening at IU. Certainly not at the PG.  Those players have moved on to the pros or transferred.

So go ahead and tell me again the swinging of the wings to the 2 and Galloway to the 1.  That's the ticket for not punching into the Sweet Sixteen or competing at the highest level in the B1G. 

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Not ideal but you can dismiss Leal either…it’s year 3 and he has busted his butt. He might be able to give you serviceable minutes at the 2 as well. I think we’ll be fine.