NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[IU_FanClub 1,761]

Whether we like it or not, the trajectory of Woodys tenure is going to depend a lot on how we recruit between now and next season. Really hoping it goes well but the signs have just been so poor lately. We just need to get that first solid signing to go through and then hopefully the floodgates will open 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,539]

This is not to suggest that we should be going after the Butler kid, but none of the top 12 ranked players by 247 in the portal played in the NCAA tournament this year.  Jordan Epps is the 13th ranked player in the portal, Jamison Battle is the 15th ranked player....neiter were in the top 20 players in the Big Ten.  The transfer portal is still mostly full of flawed players -- talented players in P5 conferences who you are hoping live up to expectations and players who put up good numbers at mid and low majors that you are hoping translates once they play against P5 competition regularly.  The #1 player rated in the portal by 247 is a highly rated freshman who wasn't good enough to start on a mid level Pac 12 team who didn't make the tournament.

Ultimately you have to hope you can judge the player's talent correctly and can sign guys that pan out, but it's a crap shoot.  One of the most sought after portal guys last year was Sam Griesel and he was just okay at Nebraska, certainly not a program changer.  So I don't think you can get too wrapped up on a player based on his team's record elsewhere.  Too many moving parts to do so.

All this is fine besides the fact we are absolutely relying on the portal to field a competitive team next season. It can’t really be both ways or can it?

 

And there will be some sure fire hits. Dickinson is the most obvious example this year so far. Maybe Abmas. Ike. Some others. Maybe Battle.

 

Like Terrence Shannon Jr. Nigel Pack. certain guys are more obvious hits than others.

 

Michigans adventures into finding a pg hasn’t worked out so well grabbing low major guys. I do know you can find gems at low major, but imo this Butler kid ain’t that.

 

 

 

 

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[RaceToTheTop 27,760]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

All this is fine besides the fact we are absolutely relying on the portal to field a competitive team next season. It can’t really be both ways or can it?

And there will be some sure fire hits. Dickinson is the most obvious example this year so far. Maybe Abmas. Ike. Some others. Maybe Battle.

Like Terrence Shannon Jr. Nigel Pack. certain guys are more obvious hits than others.

Michigans adventures into finding a pg hasn’t worked out so well grabbing low major guys. I do know you can find gems at low major, but imo this Butler kid ain’t that.

 

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As I said, it's not about the Butler kid.  The point is dismissing a player solely on his team's record the previous year would exclude quite a few players.  In terms of Terrance Shannon Jr was not an obvious one coming into the portal....he was ranked 14th by 247 on 2022 portal guys.  Mayer was actually the higher rated portal player.  It's easy to say in hindsight who were the top portal players, but Shannon, while highly regarded, was not at near the most sought after last year. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,539]

As I said, it's not about the Butler kid.  The point is dismissing a player solely on his team's record the previous year would exclude quite a few players.  In terms of Terrance Shannon Jr was not an obvious one coming into the portal....he was ranked 14th by 247 on 2022 portal guys.  Mayer was actually the higher rated portal player.  It's easy to say in hindsight who were the top portal players, but Shannon, while highly regarded, was not at near the most sought after last year. 

Not dismissing him from Butlers record alone.

 

And generally speaking, if you are getting a top 15 transfer portal kid you are certainly expecting him to be good. Shedrick is in the 30’s and he has legit potential. The rating services arent flawless but they do a pretty good job of estimating value. Then it’s fit, and etc…. Just like regular recruiting but theoretically with less margin of error.

 

 

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[Hoosier Roots 745]

This is one of the weirdest meltdowns I can remember this board having in awhile lol. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,391]

Was hoping for some good news today, what’s next, Ledlum committing to Kansas for the final gut punch?

What gut punch? All I've read the last few days is people getting all worked up about a commitment that didn't happen and then being so disappointed they resort to hot takes about the program not being able to finish. I see it all the time on here and social media with coaching changes and recruitment. I'll let things play out before I start saying, Woody can't finish and the team won't be any good next year. Way too soon tell.
Heck, when Love entered the Portal no one hot excited until it was learned their was mutual interest. That's all it was and it didn't work out.

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[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,391]

Is it Indiana self-destructing? Or just us?


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2 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

What gut punch? All I've read the last few days is people getting all worked up about a commitment that didn't happen and then being so disappointed they resort to hot takes about the program not being able to finish. I see it all the time on here and social media with coaching changes and recruitment. I'll let things play out before I start saying, Woody can't finish and the team won't be any good next year. Way too soon tell.
Heck, when Love entered the Portal no one hot excited until it was learned their was mutual interest. That's all it was and it didn't work out.

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Exactly!  Let’s not worry about it until it happens.  It’s still early in the process, let’s let it play out!

[Dave from Dayton 3,667]

3 hours ago, Hoosier Roots said:

This is one of the weirdest meltdowns I can remember this board having in awhile lol. 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,836]

Tamar is ranked 41st on 247. I can't imagine Simas being ranked lower than that. 

247 does have Tamar ranked above Primo Spears. Very much a head scratcher. 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,753]

I’ve said this in other posts , but it’s worth repeating here: This program - for almost 20 - had been badly mismanaged.

It will take time. Look at who won last night. They hired their coach (Hurley) in 2018. They didn’t recruit highly ranked players (Clingan was highest rated at 37 in RSCI rankings) but they recruited athletic kids that they DEVELOPED. Kids that fit what they wanted in what they need for their style of play.

Look at IU. We’ve got a pair of guards coming in (Newton and Cupps)  that have a combination of athleticism and pure basketball ability. We have a post (Reneau) who showed promise; we’ve added post depth with Sparks. And we have two athletic wings in Banks and Gunn - long, lanky guys. 

If X gets his waiver and we add a guy like Shedrick, we’re looking at the beginning of possibly a good team with a solid summer of development. Within two years we could be solid enough to make a run.

After 20 of watching IU spin its wheels, it’s frustrating as hell to watch them have to build. We just need Woodson to get us back to having a team good enough, with the right elements, to be able to make a run when opportunities present themselves as they did for UConn.

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[Hoosier987 1,476]

8 hours ago, Scotty R said:

Not on April 3, if we don't have any commits on July 3rd freak out

We’re going to have commits by 7/3. It’s who committed. I don’t think this will happen but If we do swing and miss at our first targets and settle then questions should be asked. 

[JSHoosier 21,308]

30 minutes ago, Tasmanian Devil said:

I’ve said this in other posts , but it’s worth repeating here: This program - for almost 20 - had been badly mismanaged.

It will take time. Look at who won last night. They hired their coach (Hurley) in 2018. They didn’t recruit highly ranked players (Clingan was highest rated at 37 in RSCI rankings) but they recruited athletic kids that they DEVELOPED. Kids that fit what they wanted in what they need for their style of play.

Look at IU. We’ve got a pair of guards coming in (Newton and Cupps)  that have a combination of athleticism and pure basketball ability. We have a post (Reneau) who showed promise; we’ve added post depth with Sparks. And we have two athletic wings in Banks and Gunn - long, lanky guys. 

If X gets his waiver and we add a guy let me Shedrick, we’re looking at the beginning of possibly a good team with a solid summer of development. Within two years we could be solid enough to make a run.

After 20 of watching IU spin its wheels, it’s frustrating as hell to watch them have to build. We just need Woodson to get us back to having a team good enough, with the right elements, to be able to make a run when opportunities present themselves as they did for UConn.

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You don't hire someone Woodson's age expecting a Hurley/UCONN build because they wont be around long; Hurley is 50 so he'll be around longer than someone 65 will be.  You hire someone the better part of 70 expecting a quick turnaround.

[Artie86 2,617]

15 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Free reign to do whatever he wanted too. 

.....and potentially destroy the culture Coach Woodson is building right now. 

I want Love's talent and potential just like everyone else,....but not for this price, $$$$$ + free reign = disaster. 

He can want all day long, but at some point, like his dad said....he wants to be coached.  Well, he also wants free reign on the court, but to be successful he has to be coachable and think no longer as a me, but as a we.

I hope I am wrong about the ebb and flow of Love's recruitment. First and foremost, I want good players that want to play for Coach Woodson and Indiana University. Them money is just a bonus. Unfortunately,....this is the world we live in today.

[Golfman25 6,143]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

You don't hire someone Woodson's age expecting a Hurley/UCONN build because they wont be around long; Hurley is 50 so he'll be around longer than someone 65 will be.  You hire someone the better part of 70 expecting a quick turnaround.

No necessarily.  Maybe you hire him to stop a sinking ship.  Woody was a “safe” hire in that he could bring in a five year period of “stability.”  His connection to the tradition of IU greatness and NBA cred is enough to stop the bleeding.  If he’s top 4 in the Big and makes the tournament each year, that’s the base the next coach gets to work from.  I know we want more, but we have to think longer term.  We knew this would be the gap year since we got lucky with TJD coming back the last two years.  Pitino is more of the quick turnaround guy cause he’s done it in several places.  

[Stuhoo 84,460]

1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said:

We’re going to have commits by 7/3. It’s who committed. I don’t think this will happen but If we do swing and miss at our first targets and settle then questions should be asked. 

IU Portal Recruiting Targets Who Committed to IU:

1. Payton Sparks

IU Portal Recruiting Targets Who Are Undecided/Uncommitted:

1. Ledlum
2. Shedrick
3. Love
4. Battle
5. Knecht
6. Multiple other guards and wings that we have reached out to but we don't know about

IU Portal Recruiting Targets Who Are Committed to 'Not-IU':

1. ...
2. ...  (none)

[Golfman25 6,143]

2 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

.....and potentially destroy the culture Coach Woodson is building right now. 

I want Love's talent and potential just like everyone else,....but not for this price, $$$$$ + free reign = disaster. 

He can want all day long, but at some point, like his dad said....he wants to be coached.  Well, he also wants free reign on the court, but to be successful he has to be coachable and think no longer as a me, but as a we.

I hope I am wrong about the ebb and flow of Love's recruitment. First and foremost, I want good players that want to play for Coach Woodson and Indiana University. Them money is just a bonus. Unfortunately,....this is the world we live in today.

That was always the risk / reward with Love. Sounds like too big of risk to me.  

[Chris007 51,470]

No reason to get worked up about Love. At first, we weren't even going to recruit him, everyone was ok, then we decide to talk to him and everyone thinks he was ours but after talking to him, it was decided it wasn't a good fit by either him or us. We move on. 

Some of the best players to be in the portal very possibly haven't even announced their intentions to enter it yet.

Some good news, X will announce he's back today on the HH podcast. 

[JSHoosier 21,308]

4 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

No necessarily.  Maybe you hire him to stop a sinking ship.  Woody was a “safe” hire in that he could bring in a five year period of “stability.”  His connection to the tradition of IU greatness and NBA cred is enough to stop the bleeding.  If he’s top 4 in the Big and makes the tournament each year, that’s the base the next coach gets to work from.  I know we want more, but we have to think longer term.  We knew this would be the gap year since we got lucky with TJD coming back the last two years.  Pitino is more of the quick turnaround guy cause he’s done it in several places.  

The point that you don't hire someone that age expecting a build stands.  Recruits for 24 or 25 don't know if they'd really even be playing for him or for how long and I imagine other schools recruiting them are using his age against us.

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1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

No reason to get worked up about Love. At first, we weren't even going to recruit him, everyone was ok, then we decide to talk to him and everyone thinks he was ours but after talking to him, it was decided it wasn't a good fit by either him or us. We move on. 

Some of the best players to be in the portal very possibly haven't even announced their intentions to enter it yet.

Some good news, X will announce he's back today on the HH podcast. 

back in what regard? NCAA officially granting him a 6th year, back?