Negativity Thread

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, ebridges24 said:

what does Archie say after the games

It’s his responsibility. Yet people on here will say it’s all the players fault. 

[JerryYeagley23]

20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Sure would be nice to go further than Dayton Ohio when looking for coaching candidates. 

I’ll try to remain cryptic, but those who may or may not be involved in this decision do not have plans to target an up-and-comer should there be another change at the top of the men’s program. They understand that they have shot and missed using this philosophy and the next hire will need to be a home run hire that has a “triple” floor. The list is short, and their preferences already know they are wanted, and how much ($) they are wanted. To think that today’s singular performance is in any way a catalyst, or that anything changed after today’s game that wasn’t already being worked on behind the scenes, would be near sighted. There seems like there is one or two others on these boards with access to people in the same loop, saying the same thing in not so many words if you are paying attention. 

[HoosierAloha]

Any chance Archie cuts and runs on his own?

His demeanor on the sidelines seems like he’s fed up with all the BS. I was wondering the same thing during the game today. He just seems like he’s done with it all.


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[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

His demeanor on the sidelines seems like he’s fed up with all the BS. I was wondering the same thing during the game today. He just seems like he’s done with it all.


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Well he has the power to stop it 

[HoosierAloha]

I’ll try to remain cryptic, but those who may or may not be involved in this decision do not have plans to target an up-and-comer should there be another change at the top of the men’s program. They understand that they have shot and missed using this philosophy and the next hire will need to be a home run hire that has a “triple” floor. The list is short, and their preferences already know they are wanted, and how much ($) they are wanted. To think that today’s singular performance is in any way a catalyst, or that anything changed after today’s game that wasn’t already being worked on behind the scenes, would be near sighted. There seems like there is one or two others on these boards with access to people in the same loop, saying the same thing in not so many words if you are paying attention. 

I would love nothing more to see BS walk through that door and hang a banner after a few seasons. Don’t get people hopes up. It’s not happening. There are so many things that would have to fall in place for that to happen. It’s become the new IU basketball and those things don’t happen. IF (!) a new AD is hired, followed by a new president then we can start to dream of those things. I just don’t see that happening anytime in the near future. Unless you’re hearing that the new AD hire will fall in line with that happening.


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[pappy1865]

I'm not saying Yay Archie or boo Archie. But I know Coach Knight had some time with the team before the game. They laid an egg. The General spends time in the Haute, and my Trees come out the next night and DESTROY Loyola? Like bad? Not maybe the Coahces fault. Some of it has to be on the guys on the floor. If you have THE GENERAL in your locker room before the tip, and you aren't up? That's on the team. Not the coach. I'm in the camp that CAM is handcuffed on what he can do. I feel that pressure in my everyday job. I get it.

 

On another note, I saw quite a few grown @$$ men with a tear in their eye at a gymnastics competition in Greenwood today while watching the halftime festivities

 

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[Hoosier1984]

Archie has not looked into it at all the past few weeks and their has been no fire on the sideline like we seen even earlier in the season and years past. Has to be something to that, like he knows the end is near. Which sucks because when we hired him I thought we had our coach for the next 30 years.

 

 

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[LamarCheeks]

I'm probably in the minority, but at the time, I thought Archie was a really good hire. He had (IMO) an impressive pedigree: son of a successful coach, basketball junkie, gym rat, point guard, played ACC ball, a couple stints as a Power 5 assistant, successful run at a really good mid-major. The only thing left was to succeed at a Power 5 school. And outside of a Donovan, Few, Bennett or a Stevens, it seemed as if he was just about the perfect fit. I thought it would work out splendidly. ... And I can almost guarantee you, had we not hired him, Ohio State would have after they "parted ways" with Matta. 

I just cannot figure where it all went off the rails.

Today's performance, which was just shameful, has me as pissed as I've ever been at this program. Maybe even more so than after the Syracuse NCAA loss. 

[Golfman25]

11 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm probably in the minority, but at the time, I thought Archie was a really good hire. He had (IMO) an impressive pedigree: son of a successful coach, basketball junkie, gym rat, point guard, played ACC ball, a couple stints as a Power 5 assistant, successful run at a really good mid-major. The only thing left was to succeed at a Power 5 school. And outside of a Donovan, Few, Bennett or a Stevens, it seemed as if he was just about the perfect fit. I thought it would work out splendidly. ... And I can almost guarantee you, had we not hired him, Ohio State would have after they "parted ways" with Matta. 

I just cannot figure where it all went off the rails.

Today's performance, which was just shameful, has me as pissed as I've ever been at this program. Maybe even more so than after the Syracuse NCAA loss. 

Because Archie doesn't adapt to the power five game.  You can be one dimensional at a mid major and have success.  The conferences and teams just aren't that deep.  So he emphasized defense and won a bunch of games.  Comes here, and they rip his defense to pieces and there is no sensible organized offense.  Thus, the result.  Got to adjust and adapt or you're toast.   

[MikeRoberts]

I'm probably in the minority, but at the time, I thought Archie was a really good hire. He had (IMO) an impressive pedigree: son of a successful coach, basketball junkie, gym rat, point guard, played ACC ball, a couple stints as a Power 5 assistant, successful run at a really good mid-major. The only thing left was to succeed at a Power 5 school. And outside of a Donovan, Few, Bennett or a Stevens, it seemed as if he was just about the perfect fit. I thought it would work out splendidly. ... And I can almost guarantee you, had we not hired him, Ohio State would have after they "parted ways" with Matta. 
I just cannot figure where it all went off the rails.
Today's performance, which was just shameful, has me as pissed as I've ever been at this program. Maybe even more so than after the Syracuse NCAA loss. 

I’m right there with you. I was hopeful for a donovan or Stevens but knew those were a longshot. Hard part there is that Stevens didn’t need to be a longshot, had we offered him prior to the celtics he would have come and been giddy about it.

That said, Archie seemed like the next best thing and I was happy with it. There is no satisfaction or told you so seeing him fail. I love IU basketball and want to see a win no matter who is the coach.

I am just sad to see what has become of my favorite team and have seen most of my friends and family stop caring or watching. There were decades where every game was can’t miss and we all watched together or were in communication about every game. It was a joy and something that brought us together. It no longer is




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[chicagoHOOSIER]

14 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I really don’t care what happened then. He’s been the best coach we’ve had the past two decades and all we had to do was deny, deny, deny like everyone else.


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And I am not even looking at what you glossed over about Kelvin Sampson from a point of getting caught or not.  You were talking about Kelvin Sampson and the very short Kelvin Sampson era drug culture he recruited to IU, and you were glossing over that as if you were trying to minimize a summary of the Kelvin Sampson culture to a couple of college kids who bought weed once or twice.  And then I pointed out to you that you remember clearly what the guys Kelvin Sampson recruited and brought into the university community were doing, and I linked an article discussing Bud Mackey's several convictions for drug trafficking, an armed robbery conviction, and then also several probation violations that culminated in a 15 1/2 year prison sentence he may still be serving. 

Sampson recruited kids to wear the IU jersey who were deeply involved in the business operations of organized hierarchies whose mission and business model is to get children in elementary, junior high, and high school, and young adults on their own for the first time at the university nearly everybody on this board follows, cheers, and critiques without ceasing, addicted to drugs much more dangerous than weed and alcohol, dangerous drugs that consume many of the rest of those once young adults' lives, drugs that kill many of them as well.  And you being the most critical critic of Indiana University of all, not only dismiss the discussion of the severity of the consequences of the drug culture Sampson invited to the university, but after all of that was pointed out to you, you continue to advocate for a return to Kelvin Sampson's winning ways, and bemoan that all IU needed to do to let the basketball team continue deeper down the wrong path would be to do what the programs everybody else on the board, and you as well b(l)tch about daily, and simply deny the phone call thing to the NCAA, not to keep the university out of trouble, but to be sure Kelvin Samson could continue to do everything that Kelvin Sampson does when he is given the power to have an enormous effect on the Indiana University community.  You stated that after you were reminded in detail how Kelvin Samson directed the basketball program at IU, and how he affected the student body and the greater university community.

Today I learned you are not a person who earns a minimal fraction of the attention you labor for as if it is your life's vocational calling.  You work this board like it is both your job and the fundamental tenet of your religion, and at the same time, you manage to do that half-@$$ed and lazy, even while spending all of your waking moments here.  What are you doing with your life?  I do not say that with snark at all.  I am trying to help you by asking you to look at yourself objectively for a moment, and examine the road you are on, see the roads laid out before you, and then ask yourself if what you are doing now with mucho mucho gusto is what you really want to continue to do with what is left of your life.  You can stop now.  It won't be easy.  But you can stop now.  If you reach out, I would be willing to go out on a limb and guess some good people on this board would even offer to help you, people with purely good intentions even.  Good luck.  I wish you the best.

[Josh]

7 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

His demeanor on the sidelines seems like he’s fed up with all the BS. I was wondering the same thing during the game today. He just seems like he’s done with it all.


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This team truly has adopted his loser's mentality

[HinnyHoosier]

This team truly has adopted his loser's mentality

I think the team has adopted his mindset of frustration. If he had a loser’s mentality he wouldn’t be doing this as his career and identity.



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[Whoozhers]

** A pregame talk by Bobby and his return to AH after a 20 year absence couldn’t stir this team to play their best? This team is more hopeless than I thought.


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[Honkyman]

Sadly, Archie Miller has no ability to inspire this team. 

[NOLA Hoosier]

How this is the same team with 15 (including some quality as well as ugly) wins is baffling to me. Even last year, I’ve never seen a team with as little fight in them as these kids. Why do they not want to be there? Why are we talking about this again like it’s last year? What is the culture here, I thought it was better now? Too many unanswereds for me to wrap my head around.

 

Knight returning and the team losing was the final nail in the coffin for me. After seeing greatness and fight personified walk out onto that court yesterday only to have this soft team lay down and die, roll over, give up....I’m long past the point of caring. I never thought I’d agree with the dumb@sses at that defunct IU fan site Crimson Quarry, but I indeed have reached the “ironic detachment phase.” 
 

And it sucks.

[KDynamite]

11 hours ago, Treesh said:

I’m not high on Chris Beard. Solid coach sure, but I’d prefer a younger coach.

 

wish Dane was ready. 

Chris is only 46 which isn’t that old...he seems a lot younger than that to me too.

[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, NOLA Hoosier said:

How this is the same team with 15 (including some quality as well as ugly) wins is baffling to me. Even last year, I’ve never seen a team with as little fight in them as these kids. Why do they not want to be there? Why are we talking about this again like it’s last year? What is the culture here, I thought it was better now? Too many unanswereds for me.

 

Knight returning and the team losing was the final nail in the coffin for me. After seeing greatness and fight personified walk out onto that court yesterday only to have this soft team lay down and die, roll over, give up....I’m long past the point of caring. I never thought I’d agree with the dumb@sses at that defunct IU fan site Crimson Quarry, but I indeed have reached the “ironic detachment phase.” 
 

And it sucks.

This team has tons of fight if everything is going good. They get excited and play hard. Punch them in the mouth once and they cower in a corner crying. 

[NOLA Hoosier]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

This team has tons of fight if everything is going good. They get excited and play hard. Punch them in the mouth once and they cower in a corner crying. 

That’s exactly what I mean. I don’t get it. 

[KDynamite]

15 hours ago, JerryYeagley23 said:

Respectfully, and without outing sources, Stevens is not attached to coaching the Celtics and knows his place historically will still be as a hall of fame college coach in the not too distant future. He has learned to tolerate the NBA, but he’s not an NBA talent personality and doesn’t enjoy dealing with them. I stand by my statement based on conversations, that if the administration wanted to, they could open the wallet and get the right guy. They know who “those guys” are, and the number it would take to get one of them tomorrow. They have chosen not to take that route because they don’t see the basketball program being a national power as a priority. Take that for what it’s worth. 

I’ll bet you when the times comes, Duke will make Brad Stevens an offer, IU should at least take a shot when the times comes here!