Negativity Thread

[Alford Bailey]

I get not wanting Glass to hire the next coach but man that lame duck year could really hurt the program.

[Stuhoo]

Do you guys really think it would be appropriate to ask some kinda loaded, negative question when the show is designed to promote the program?

That’s not realistic 

[Hovadipo]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

Do you guys really think it would be appropriate to ask some kinda loaded, negative question when the show is designed to promote the program?

That’s not realistic 

We. *DESERVE*. Answers. 

[Alford Bailey]

The tough questions may not get asked but the FB comments on the stream can be rough.

[Old Friend]

28 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

I get not wanting Glass to hire the next coach but man that lame duck year could really hurt the program.

Firing your 5th coach (Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller) since 2006 when said coach is in year 3 before his recruits become upper classmen "could also really hurt the program."

I'm not here to sell Archie, but a whole lot of this mess is on the players, too.  I think he deserves one more season to show real progress AND that success is sustainable.   One man's opinion, but this team's seniors are the worst in my lifetime, and I think that matters. 

Indiana Basketball needs a coach similar to Donald Trump, only in that whoever he is, like Bob Knight, can't care one bit what people say about him and can't cave to the peanut gallery OR the players.  He needs a very thick skin, needs to want the spotlight, but can't listen to the chaff.  Glass can't hire the next coach.   That would be the worst thing for this program; especially if Chris Reynolds is being considered.   A former player, if he's the AD, should be the one who decides the direction, in my opinion.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Firing your 5th coach (Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller) since 2006 when said coach is in year 3 before his recruits become upper classmen "could also really hurt the program."
I'm not here to sell Archie, but a whole lot of this mess is on the players, too.  I think he deserves one more season to show real progress AND that success is sustainable.    Indiana Basketball needs a coach similar to Donald Trump, only in that whoever he is, like Bob Knight, can't care one bit what people say about him and can't cave to the peanut gallery OR the players.  He needs a very thick skin, needs to want the spotlight, but can't listen to the chaff.  Glass can't hire the next coach.   That would be the worst thing for this program; especially if Chris Reynolds is being considered.   A former player, if he's the AD, should be the one who decides the direction, in my opinion.

You keep making that excuse for Archie, but they are his players. Only Green and Davis aren’t.


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[Old Friend]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You keep making that excuse for Archie, but they are his players. Only Green and Davis aren’t.


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And as I said above, I think they are the worst seniors in my lifetime.  I've heard more than one former player talk about "cancer" in the program, and it's no secret who that is.   Smith and Durham are not his players either, regardless of how you spin it.    You can call it an excuse all you want.   That IS easier.  

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Do you guys really think it would be appropriate to ask some kinda loaded, negative question when the show is designed to promote the program?
That’s not realistic 

I think it would be okay to ask about the offense. You can’t lie about everything. He doesn’t get those questions from the media either. They ask fluff as well. Anything to mask the terrible.


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[LamarCheeks]

Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I'm watching Archie's show on FB. He keeps saying the same sh-t over and over. ...

We need to find out who's in and who's out. 

If guys aren't buying in, they don't need to be playing. 

We need everybody on the same page. 

We need to grow up. 

If it's six guys, it's six guys. If it's 11 guys, it's 11. 

But then on Thursday night, we'll see the same old crap -- no effort, no passion, no pride. And he'll play the same 11 guys he has been. I don't get it. If a kid keeps stealing cookies from the cookie jar and you keep telling him not to do it without any repercussions, he'll keep doing it. There have to be consequences. And with this team, there aren't. 

If he would play six or seven guys and bench the "cancers," I'd respect the hell out of him. But he won't do it. 

 

[8bucks]

Firing your 5th coach (Davis, Sampson, Dakich, Crean, Miller) since 2006 when said coach is in year 3 before his recruits become upper classmen "could also really hurt the program."
I'm not here to sell Archie, but a whole lot of this mess is on the players, too.  I think he deserves one more season to show real progress AND that success is sustainable.   One man's opinion, but this team's seniors are the worst in my lifetime, and I think that matters. 
Indiana Basketball needs a coach similar to Donald Trump, only in that whoever he is, like Bob Knight, can't care one bit what people say about him and can't cave to the peanut gallery OR the players.  He needs a very thick skin, needs to want the spotlight, but can't listen to the chaff.  Glass can't hire the next coach.   That would be the worst thing for this program; especially if Chris Reynolds is being considered.   A former player, if he's the AD, should be the one who decides the direction, in my opinion.

I have no idea what is going on with Archie and why he does not seem to use the bench. Someone mentioned earlier that he seems to have lost a lot of weight this year. Not sure if that was from stress or a good diet but things just don’t add up.

I am not sure you can really count Dakich as he was really never more that an interim coach. That makes it 4 coaches since RMK was fired in 2000. Not such an unreasonable stretch.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I'm watching Archie's show on FB. He keeps saying the same sh-t over and over. ...
We need to find out who's in and who's out. 
If guys aren't buying in, they don't need to be playing. 
We need everybody on the same page. 
We need to grow up. 
If it's six guys, it's six guys. If it's 11 guys, it's 11. 
But then on Thursday night, we'll see the same old crap -- no effort, no passion, no pride. And he'll play the same 11 guys he has been. I don't get it. If a kid keeps stealing cookies from the cookie jar and you keep telling him not to do it without any repercussions, he'll keep doing it. There have to be consequences. And with this team, there aren't. 
If he would play six or seven guys and bench the "cancers," I'd respect the hell out of him. But he won't do it. 
 

All true but we don’t have any assortment of 6-8 guys that can be dominant and win regularly.

Maybe it sends a message and that message DOES need sent but we don’t have great basketball players. It’s why we can’t name a starting 5, because we don’t enough guys worthy of even playing.


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[darB s'tI]

12 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

You keep making that excuse for Archie, but they are his players. Only Green and Davis aren’t.


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Not true. He didn't recruit the JR class, nor do I believe he would have recruited any of them. It's part of the hand he received. I'm not an Archie apologist, but the JR and SR classes are not his.

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

Not true. He didn't recruit the JR class, nor do I believe he would have recruited any of them. It's part of the hand he received. I'm not an Archie apologist, but the JR and SR classes are not his.

False he literally visited all 3 of the juniors to recruit them. 

[LamarCheeks]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

All true but we don’t have any assortment of 6-8 guys that can be dominant and win regularly.

Maybe it sends a message and that message DOES need sent but we don’t have great basketball players. It’s why we can’t name a starting 5, because we don’t enough guys worthy of even playing.


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Back in 1985, Knight benched the regulars and started four freshmen and Uwe Blab at Illinois. Two starters didn't even make the trip. We got hammered -- scored 12 points in the first half. But the message got sent. 

[darB s'tI]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

False he literally visited all 3 of the juniors to recruit them. 

Tom Crean recruited Al Durham, Justin Smith and Clifton Moore. Archie was brought in after they signed and he was tasked with keeping them. His first recruiting class was 2018 - Romeo, Anderson, RP and Hunter. If you recall, they didn't hire him until late spring/early summer. This is CAM's 3rd year, his 2nd recruiting class. That is, if I recall correctly. But I remember Moore threatening to leave because Archie took over for Crean before summer/practice.

[coonhounds]

After listening to archie radio show he has won me back. This is a joke. He does say good things and makes me want to believe but I guess we will see Thursday

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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, IU-DL said:

Tom Crean recruited Al Durham, Justin Smith and Clifton Moore. Archie was brought in after they signed and he was tasked with keeping them. His first recruiting class was 2018 - Romeo, Anderson, RP and Hunter. If you recall, they didn't hire him until late spring/early summer. This is CAM's 3rd year, his 2nd recruiting class. That is, if I recall correctly. But I remember Moore threatening to leave because Archie took over for Crean before summer/practice.

Well even the first class you listed isn’t really working out for him so not really sure your point. 

[darB s'tI]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Well even the first class you listed isn’t really working out for him so not really sure your point. 

I thrive on your positivity. That's my point.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Lol. Archie got some good questions and he gives good answers but it doesn’t matter. His system is flawed, or the guys don’t have it, or x,y,z. I don’t expect it to change.

He’s just hoping the guys right the ship, dig in and play for one another.

BUT he’s recruited a soft group. They don’t have the toughness or resilience to get it done.


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

Lol. Archie got some good questions and he gives good answers but it doesn’t matter. His system is flawed, or the guys don’t have it, or x,y,z. I don’t expect it to change.

He’s just hoping the guys right the ship, dig in and play for one another.

BUT he’s recruited a soft group. They don’t have the toughness or resilience to get it done.


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I don’t believe a word he says ever. He said he made a tweak... was the tweak against Purdue to play worse?


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